Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

Very good point. She should say that the the lovely woman and see how she gets on.

She's simply a manipulative attention seeker who enjoys causing trouble and playing the victim when she stirs up a response. Twitter has lots of people like this, who play out their dramas online.

to me, that’s what a woman looks like.‘

Apart from when some women look like the biological males they are, eh, Jameela?

Well I just reported my first tweet!
She would rather insult people and deny deny deny than admit she's wrong.
Sounds familiar 🤔

Do you know what they consider to be ‘Signs of gender dysphoria’ that children show prior to puberty? I hope it isn’t girls playing with trains and boys wearing pink!!

Boston Chidren's Hospital (via Dr Norman Spack this was the clinic at the forefront of using drugs and cross-sex hormones to disrupt puberty in under 16 year old children)

(extract)
"Children are typically diagnosed with gender dysphoria if they have experienced significant distress for at least six months and at least six of the following:

strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that they are the other gender
strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender
strong preference for cross- gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
strong preference for playmates of the other gender
strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of their assigned gender
strong dislike of their sexual anatomy
strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match their experienced gender "
www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/g/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-and-treatment

** For gender read sex.

That has not stopped clinics prescribing them enthusiastically".

It also mentions that British judges ruled that children are unlikely to be able to give meaningful conesent for them and that the NHS recently withdrew its claim that their effects are reversible.

Also that although no comprehensive studies have or have been allowed to happen, alleged effects to now adults include "cognitive deficits, brittle bones and chronic pain in later life". And when tested in animals sheep given blockers could find it very hard to navigate a maze and female mice were much more timid.

As for cross-sex hormones 2018 studies showed that female humans have more chances for cardiovascular disease and men for blood clots and strokes.

www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/02/18/little-is-known-about-the-effects-of-puberty-blockers

Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly.

Which contraception causes any of these side effects associated with Lupron:
Brittle bones, severe bone pain and cracking teeth
Reduced IQ, seizures and in some cases inducing dementia
Cardiovascular impacts including angina and heart attacks (only studied in men but very likely impacting women and children)

Once puberty blockers are started, pretty much every child will continue to cross sex hormones. That is why, in the Bell/Mrs A vs Tavistock ruling, the judges advised, regarding consent that children should understand:

i) the immediate consequences of the treatment in physical and psychological terms;
(ii) the fact that the vast majority of patients taking puberty blocking drugs proceed to taking cross-sex hormones and are, therefore, a pathway to much greater medical interventions;
(iii) the relationship between taking cross-sex hormones and subsequent surgery, with the implications of such surgery;
(iv) the fact that cross-sex hormones may well lead to a loss of fertility;
(v) the impact of cross-sex hormones on sexual function;
(vi) the impact that taking this step on this treatment pathway may have on future and life-long relationships;
(vii) the unknown physical consequences of taking puberty blocking drugs; and
(viii) the fact that the evidence base for this treatment is as yet highly uncertain

I genuinely think there are two groups of people with this. There are those who know that children don’t ever go through proper puberty, and would like that discussion to be avoided, and those who are completely naive about what puberty blockers actually mean.

She frequently makes erroneous comments. She's no beacon of wisdom. More like dying embers. She's part of the information flood we're deluged with, with no fact-based knowledge to back up her claims.

That is why they are taken very carefully and very few young people (at least in the UK) is allowed them unless necessary.

Why would it be 'necessary'?

Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly.

The same effects? Do you have some evidence of this?

Thanks @YouNoob

And well done to everyone staying above the nonsense this morning.

I'm making berry buns for breakfast this morning but might check back in here and there.

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They are physically reversible in that you can stop taking them, unlike irreversible interventions such as a mastectomy, however as the NHS have stated, the psychological effects, and the effects on the developing brain are not known. In other words, in a female periods that stop due to PBS will most likely return when the PBS are stopped, but the unintended side effect PBS have on other areas of development isn’t certain. Compare it to taking the contraceptive pill. It will disrupt the ability to get pregnant, stop taking it and the ability to get pregnant returns. So, it’s effects on pregnancy are reversible. However, a side effect of taking it is an increased risk of certain cancers. Stopping taking it doesn’t take that risk away, the damage has already been done.

As you’re so good at citing NHS documents, here’s one from the BMJ that tells us the]at PBS do not alleviate negative thoughts in children with gender dysphoria.
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n356

She’s also a thin shamer. If you’re smaller than she is then she will attack your body whilst claiming that she loves all women’s bodies.

‘I’ve got quite an old-fashioned figure. Back in the Sixties, girls had boobs, a tummy and wide hips, and bigger thighs as well. I think that’s sexy – to me, that’s what a woman looks like.‘

Even quotes like this are offensive - that’s what a woman looks like. Women come in all shapes and sizes, even if they have smaller chests and bottoms, but thanks Jameela.

She’s also been found to be a compulsive liar, especially as regards her early years, so I doubt she’s getting anything ‘mixed up’; rather, she has yet again rewritten a past ‘reality’ that never existed.

I was a teenager on the nineties and no one was on puberty blockers. The contraceptive pill for heavy periods -yes, I was on Dianette for bad acne myself, but me and my friends all went through puberty unscathed.

You can see that so many people have taken it as fact and are going to spread it.

Anything that interferes with development will do that. That is why they are taken very carefully and very few young people (at least in the UK) is allowed them unless necessary. Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly. Additionally mental health medication is too. And those are given at an event younger age. I do agree, more research is necessary however it is very unlikely these issues arise.

Here you go, 🦡

mobile.twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1382077389925199872

So you can be pedantic about the word “all” but it pretty much is.

I've never heard from a detransitioner who had been on puberty blockers and stopped before cross-sex hormones.

There are lots on YouTube and other places now, but all either desisted before any treatment, or detransitioned after being on testosterone for a while.

The pattern is they either back out before the first step of physical treatment, or they at least as go as far as testosterone, then stop when that's not working and there's no further step.

(I bet if there was a further step after testosterone, most would go onto that. It makes psychological sense - you try everything that's offered to you before you rethink).

Has anyone ever heard from a puberty-blocked non-cross-sex-hormones detransitioner in any media? I've only seen them as very small stats in Tavistock responses.

If it gets her lots of lovely delicious cookies what does it matter?

She's on the right side of history and when the law suits and class actions start to pile up, she can just re write it. 💁

Hi, can someone link the the thread itself?

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As well as the contraceptive pill its possible that girls with heavy periods could have been prescribed Mefenamic acid.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/heavy-periods/treatment/