Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

Absolutely won't be following "the puberty blockers are just like the contraceptive pill" squirrel. New day, new false equivalence.

Another reason I think tra conflate terms and in this case drugs, is to change the focus of the discussion away from the harmful effects of one thing to another.

So instead of looking at the potential harmful treatment of girls with gender identity issues, it's broaden out to the rights of all girls to have medical treatment or the side effects of another drug entirely.

I'm sure there is a discussion about the rights and wrongs of girls to be prescribed the pill, but it shouldn't distract from the issue around treating dysphoria with puberty blockers.

'Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence'
(part 1 of 5 important articles)
by Michael Biggs, Dept of Sociology, University of Oxford

2 March 2019
(extract)
"In 2010, Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust’s Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) launched a trial of puberty blockers for children in their early teens with gender dysphoria. This was—and remains—an experimental treatment. These drugs, Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone agonists (GnRHa), have not been certified as a safe or effective treatment for gender dysphoria by their manufacturers, nor by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence.

The Director of GIDS, Polly Carmichael, was keenly aware of the controversy over these drugs. ‘The question is, if you halt your own sex hormones so that your brain is not experiencing puberty, are you in some way altering the course of nature?’ (Guardian, 14 August 2008). ‘[T]he debate revolves around the reversibility of this intervention—physical and also psychological, in terms of the possible influence of sex hormones on brain and identity development’ (Carmichael and Davidson 2009). Before 2010, GIDS administered blockers to children only when they reached 16; this is the age at which young people have the presumptive capacity to consent to medical treatment.

This cautious approach was vociferously opposed by two organizations devoted to transgendering of children, Mermaids and the Gender Identity Research and Education Society. As Carmichael later recounted: ‘There was a lot of pressure coming from certain group [sic] to introduce it—families were travelling abroad because they knew it was available in Holland and America. As a service, we didn’t have the evidence one way or the other, so the best way to do it was as part of a research study’ (Vice, 16 November 2016). (continues)
www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

One of my pet peeves is the way the small risks of these negative effects of anticonception pills is just accepted. As if men would continiously take these kind of medication with this. Men don't even want to take an anticonception pill for males because omg, look at the risk of side effects. But women should just accept it. Thankfully, the risk is so small and for many women there are little to no side effects when taking the pill and once stopped, everything returns to normal. No harm done.

The difference of course is the alternative risk of not taking contraceptives.

(why have you chosen to use the greek 'anti' as opposed to the usual latin 'contra' which means the same thing?)

Sillyduckseverywhere
In USA there are many people (mostly women) who have revealed the very serious long term impacts to their health having being prescribed this type of drug.

I'd be very surprised if there were lots of children at her school going through premature puberty.

Someone said the incidence of medical precocious puberty is 1 in 150k. So it would seem unlikely.

JJ is actually not very bright and now I see she’s using the term ‘cis’ I think even less of her. She is not a feminist.

I knew someone that was given puberty blockers for precocious puberty.
She's dead.
She had enormous health problems and didn't make it to 40.
Anecdotal, but I didn't put 2+2 together until today.

Jameela Jamil is the one who's always being attacked by bees, isn't she?

Anyway, you wouldn't prescribe puberty blockers for heavy periods. You'd prescribe them for premature puberty. I'd be very surprised if there were lots of children at her school going through premature puberty.

Asugar, ChiefBabySniffer has already said what they were for. Fibroids.

They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

One of my pet peeves is the way the small risks of these negative effects of anticonception pills is just accepted. As if men would continiously take these kind of medication with this. Men don't even want to take an anticonception pill for males because omg, look at the risk of side effects. But women should just accept it. Thankfully, the risk is so small and for many women there are little to no side effects when taking the pill and once stopped, everything returns to normal. No harm done.

But more research for alternatives to the pill for women, please!

What were they administered for if you don't mind me asking?

I'm getting very tired of the level of ignorance around this issue and the fact that despite this ignorance people feel they can advocate for a drug whose use as a blocker has been legally seen as experimental because it is off label. Long term use in children with precocious puberty is not advised because those side effects are not known while side effects in adult use for its intended purpose are documented and extremely unpleasant.

Even in the short term, users have described feeling out of step with the development of their peers leading to more not less dysphoria and even contributing to an inability to concentrate at school. I am not sure where you get your information from that differs so wildly from what medical experts and even the producers of the drug have said.

Puberty is a significant time in a child's life where the body goers through a number of necessary changes, not enough is still known about how significantly it contributes to brain development etc. It is dangerous and reckless for people with no medical training to make statements such as yours which encourage the use of a potentially harmful drug in children.

I'm just glad that others on this thread have been far more factually informative with regard to the thoughts of the man who originally proposed their use (I wasn't aware of this - great post btw) and the reality of the NHS having to retract (or try to pretend they never said anything) their claim of them being reversible. Thank goodness for informed women.

What TRA are doing is making puberty blockers and contraception pills mean the same thing. Both can halt periods, both have side effects, therefore they must be the same.

Yes.

Chiefbabysniffer

I'm 41.

All can use heart attacks. They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

Pretending that it is safe to give medication which can irreversibly damage their bodies to children is really not a good look. Justifying its use because other medications are also dangerous is questionable to say the least.

What TRA are doing is making puberty blockers and contraception pills mean the same thing. Both can halt periods, both have side effects, therefore they must be the same.

Much in the way a middle age man can be a girl - because they both wear a skirt. They concentrate on the similarities, but ignore the obvious differences.

This is a load of bull shit. When you go through puberty your genitals mature because of the hormones. When those hormones are blocked, or you go through menopause, your genitals start to atrophy. I know this is a fact as I've been on blockers to treat fibroids. Within 5 months I'd lost all the padding from my clitoris , had loss of colour and skin thinning and dryness so intense I was worried I may burst into flames if I walked to quickly.

But in the 90s I was most certainly put on the pill for heavy painful periods.

She is such an absolute bellend.