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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2021 20:14

lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

This is an article about Mumsnet FWR boards. Author doesn't like us. Oh dear.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 14/04/2021 15:59

And South Australia in 1894, Western Australia in 1899, and Australia as a whole in 1902 (could be wrong). Certainly all of Australia by 1911.

New Zillund Zealand (all of it) in 1893, too.

nickymanchester · 14/04/2021 15:27

Recent posts included dismay over a U.S. Supreme Court decision not to hear a challenge to transgender access to toilets and locker rooms

Hey, I'm famous! That was one I started.

I'm glad that I can occasionally rile people up.

WeeBisom · 14/04/2021 15:10

It’s also telling how at the end she sympathises with the young woman who came here and said her mum had been radicalised by mumsnet. I remember that post very clearly. But my most vivid memory of it is the young woman in question being utterly unable to defend her point of view, and saying completely false things. In fact this is my enduring impression of trans supporters: I am desperate to get some answers from them and they are unable to answer even the most basic questions about what they believe!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2021 15:09

Any mentions of female infertility are usually the other side trying to draw comparisons with males with trans identities - the icing on the offensive cake being that very often those same individuals have actually fathered children...

Yes, exactly.

terryleather · 14/04/2021 15:04

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women

Where were those? I would certainly condemn that, do you have a link?

As a childless menopausal woman myself I'm pretty sure I would have noticed any attacks of that nature... Any mentions of female infertility are usually the other side trying to draw comparisons with males with trans identities - the icing on the offensive cake being that very often those same individuals have actually fathered children...
Kimchidreams · 14/04/2021 15:01

@Wandawomble

Liberal feminists - happy to ignore the lived experience of brown women everywhere in favour of hoping men will like you if you agree with everything they want to do to women.
Well said! I’m so fed up of their assertion that gender critical women are all white and middle class. Well I’m not white and very much GC, so seems like I didn’t get the memo! Do they think that we lack the critical reasoning skills to see through their nonsense? I think they trot this out repeatedly, because they wouldn’t know how to debate with a GC Black or Asian woman. Hierarchy of oppression or some such.
Justhadathought · 14/04/2021 14:41

Yes, this type of gaslighting is quite common with her ilk, I find

She's still quite young. With age will come experience, and she'll see no doubt things quite differently. It is as if a whole new generation of women is having to learn it all for themselves. the battles and struggles of previous generations seem not to have been absorbed.

And as she actually seems very middle class and privileged herself ( the irony) she'll have ben relatively shielded so far.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 14:39

@StrangeLookingParasite

Think the right to vote - which country won this first?

1893, in New Zealand.

Pitcairn Islands, in 1838!

Huh.

Ah, the perfect way to get other women to agree with you. Attack both her intelligence and her integrity with your "handmaiden" schtick. Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What a pack of lies. Did someone tell you this and you actually believed them?

And South Australia in 1894, Western Australia in 1899, and Australia as a whole in 1902 (could be wrong). Certainly all of Australia by 1911.
Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 14:36

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

I think you are confused. What attacks on ' infertile/childless/menopausal women'? I think you might have it the other way around. Often we are told by some activists who seek to prioritise trans rights ahead of those of women and girls that males who identify as women are 'just like' women of that nature. Doing this, is harmful to those women of course.

It is politicising their choices, or their medical conditions, to progress the rights of males. So, in essence, these assertions are attacks on these women by a group of people who may or may not be trans, and certainly do not represent all trans people.

Perhaps, PumpkinSpiceWoman you could clarify what you meant. Otherwise, you have completely undermined your argument.

CardinalLolzy · 14/04/2021 14:22

Ah, the perfect way to get men to agree with you - lie!
It's what men in power have been doing for ages - god forbid we change this tradition.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2021 14:22

I mean for gods sake how could anyone think changing rooms should be segregated on the basis of physical sex and not gender identity - we would all have to be mad to think outrageous things like that!!!!

Yes, this type of gaslighting is quite common with her ilk, I find.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 14/04/2021 14:14

That really is a brilliant article. It reads like it is a satire it is so full of “right think”. I mean for gods sake how could anyone think changing rooms should be segregated on the basis of physical sex and not gender identity - we would all have to be mad to think outrageous things like that!!!! That plus the constant disparaging of any woman ever who has had the audacity to give birth who still had the temerity to have actual opinions on real life issues, it has to be ironic? No??

unwashedanddazed · 14/04/2021 14:12

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular

That's complete bullshit. I've lurked this board for six or seven years and I've never seen a woman attacked for a biological trait or condition.

People get their opinions interrogated and they might not like it, but no one is attacked for immutable characteristics.

StrangeLookingParasite · 14/04/2021 14:12

Think the right to vote - which country won this first?

1893, in New Zealand.

Pitcairn Islands, in 1838!

Huh.

Ah, the perfect way to get other women to agree with you. Attack both her intelligence and her integrity with your "handmaiden" schtick. Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What a pack of lies. Did someone tell you this and you actually believed them?

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 14/04/2021 14:10

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

Um, what? As a childfree by choice woman, the only time I’ve ever seen anything remotely like that is on when some twit starts wondering why women without kids could possibly want to be on Mumsnet, and gets their arse handed to them. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being feminist or GC, rather the opposite of anything.

DialSquare · 14/04/2021 14:07

My thoughts exactly Eresh.

Justhadathought · 14/04/2021 14:06

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular

The mind boggles....given that everyone is middle aged, surely we're all post menopausal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2021 14:04

As a menopausal woman, I'd be interested to see those too Erish.

Because without the links, what I'm thinking is that there's some twisting going on of the fact that only female people can have periods and give birth to babies. Which categorically does not mean that all female people at all times have periods and give birth to babies.

Thecatonthemat · 14/04/2021 14:00

Some of us are even old...why are we ignored?!

ErrolTheDragon · 14/04/2021 14:00

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What on earth are you talking about? ConfusedQuite a lot of the regular posters on this board are childless, due to infertility or choice. Many of us are menopausal, or have been. I've never seen any 'attacks' on any of us from gender critical women.

MrsMidClegs · 14/04/2021 13:58

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

Utter, baseless, lie.

DialSquare · 14/04/2021 13:57

Eresh! Fat fingers

Justhadathought · 14/04/2021 13:57

If Mumsnet’s women’s rights forum is popular because it responds to the experience of being stuck at home without support or community, it’s done so in a way that leaves Mumsnetters in a political cul-de-sac. The community isolates its members in a bubble of transphobic thought that leaves them free to develop their bigotries without needing to encounter the human beings affected by them. It also inculcates members with a tragically narrow idea of feminism, one that rejects other people fighting for gender liberation. And finally, it puts followers at odds with the broader left, which has been fighting for a world without gender oppression, as well as for benefits Mumsnetters say they care about, such as free child care and well-funded health care

This is all very confused and all over the place. Not really understanding first base, and then developing the argument from that faulty position. Also, just keeps talking about transwomen; transmen never get a look in.

She does seem quite young, and obviously quite bright to have won all of the awards she appears to. Living in the U.k will do her some good.

DialSquare · 14/04/2021 13:57

As a menopausal woman, I'd be interested to see those too Erish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2021 13:53

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women

Where were those? I would certainly condemn that, do you have a link?