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Women's libido - apparently they just don't know why it disappears?! WTAF?

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Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 10:35

This article re women's sexuality and covid has been annoying me since I read it yesterday. In summary, they start by saying everyone thought we'd al be having loads of sex in Covid but it turns out we weren't and then it turns out that women's libidos are the reason. Then the article goes on to discuss how men's libido stays consistent throughout a relationship/time but that women's libido drops off.

These two paragraphs in particular sort of sum up how the article (and the experts the reporter is talking to) is considering the issue:

"Both start their relationship with similar honeymoonish levels of desire. But a year on and women are already disengaging. The fall in interest drops off several cliffs at the five and ten-year marks. Women are twice as likely as men to lose desire in long-term relationships. Of particular relevance to lockdown: those women living with their partners were more likely to lose interest than those in distanced long-term relationships."

"There are several ways to interpret these findings. One is that women have a limited amount of sexual drive, that they spend early on in any relationship and then the cupboard is bare. The other is that women crave sexual variety, a view that is supported by recent evolutionary theory that early human females, while pair-bonded, were frequently unfaithful in ways that maximised their offspring’s genetic advantage."

Then there's this:

"[quoting an expert on a study] "We found that when men were in a relationship with a woman they were much less likely to report masturbation. It was completely the reverse for women, who masturbated more when in a relationship with a man. The whole idea about masturbation being a substitute for partner sex, which has been around a long time, seems to be supportive for men, but for women not at all.”

"Graham says that they are not really sure why women masturbate more in heterosexual relationships, and also why they often do this in secret."

And then there's quite a lot of chat that maybe it's because the sex is bad (in a relationship).

This article has really really annoyed me. Did no one stop to think that maybe the reason women are less interested in sex is because of what's going on in the relationship? That maybe, in the early days, it's all sunshine and flowers and romantic gestures but even a year in, all those women suddenly find themselves doing more? More cleaning, more cooking, more mental thinking? We all know studies show that women in long term heterosexual relationships do more household tasks than any other group. After even just a year, I bet you that the lovely man who planned a gorgeous romantic weekend away in week 3 has already stopped thinking about all holidays and weekend breaks and it's falling on the woman? And that' before we even get to the childcare.

As for lockdown - again, studies have already told us that women were doing more. That they were bearing the brunt of the homeschooling and home management while still trying to work. That they were the ones up late at night worrying about the mental health impact on their children or dealing with the DC's tantrums and tears because they missed their friends. Men weren't doing this. So are we surprised that women didn't exactly feel like getting a little sex in ?

As for the bloody masturbation thing.... well, I can't speak for other women but maybe it's because women DO want orgasms but quite frankly, don't want the time, effort or other touch? Or even the need to think about someone else? I didn't even have to do the homeschooling thing but I can tell you that by the end of the day, I was touched out. I don't want someone touching and kissing me.

Tell me it's not just me? This entire premise that libido is completely separate from all the other stuff that goes on in life and that women's libido just mysteriously disappears blows my tiny little mind.

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GoWalkabout · 13/04/2021 17:45

In wifework she writes about how early relationship 'egalitarian' sexual relationships morph into 'servicing his needs' kind of sex, just like she started taking on more domestic planning and chores. Then woke up and realised this wasn't the sex she wanted. Personally post 50 sex is getting better again, because it's less penis related.

ANewDawnANewDay · 13/04/2021 17:40

DH is never sexier than when he rolls up his sleeves and does the washing up BUT no bragging, no hints, he shouldn't expect sex after that.
It's like The Game - if he thinks it, the 'sexy' disappears.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 13/04/2021 17:36

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with.

This basically. Every single time. kills my libido stone dead.

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2021 17:24

Kotatsu, that's rubbish. I'm sorry.

I think that the pill often fucks up women's attractions. Not mad keen on Psychology Today, but there's an article here that touches on various factors/issues to do with hormonal affects of the pill.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/intimately-connected/201901/do-contraceptive-pills-affect-attraction

QuentinWinters · 13/04/2021 17:09

kotatsu Flowers
You don't have to live like that.

Kotatsu · 13/04/2021 17:06

Doing bugger all, leaving it all to me, getting up after I've left to take the kids to school, staying up late, then coming to bed when I'm already asleep and wanting sex. Going straight into rough groping, hammering away because he's been death-grip masterbating and can't feel it otherwise, losing his libido for a bit, leaving me hanging and then expecting mine to just turn back on when he's ready. Spending no time with me, having no fun, and still thinking that I wanted to have sex with him. Taking no responsibility for contraception, even though I've made it very clear I'm not having another child, and I'm not doing the pill again.

Yeah, total mystery.

QuentinWinters · 13/04/2021 16:53

Huh. Tell me about it millpond. I've recently been prescribed hormonal treatment for PMDD. My GP won't prescribe it as its not standard for them, insists I see a consultant. I have health insurance through work so used that to see the consultant. Insurer now won't cover me because "HRT is out of policy". Consultant says she will see me in the NHS which makes a mockery of the insurance AngryAngry
She also said that as well as HRTnot being covered by insurance many GP commissioning groups won't refer to her menopause clinic for specialist HRT help. So what are women suffering meant to do??
It is just outrageously sexist and gives me the proper rage.

likeamillpond · 13/04/2021 16:39

Testosterone fuels sex drive in men and women.
As women age the little bit of testosterone they do have disappears altogether and that's when their sex drive usually takes a nosedive.
It can happen that younger women are too low in testosterone as well.

That's why a lot of women are campaigning for a small amount of testosterone to be added as part of womens HRT treatment plan if it's deemed she needs it.
Currently they only get prescribed progesterone and oestrogen.
They will prescribe it in other countries and women swear by it and say it's saved their relationships.
But in the UK GPs are reluctant to prescribe it, so lots of relationships suffer unnecessarily as a result.
When it comes to healthcare, and especially womens sexual health and wellbeing, women are treated shockingly imo.

Tomatobear · 13/04/2021 16:20

@CongealedCrags

Not just you.

I'd love to see the parallel study which looks at the amount of housework, life administration and childcare done by women vs men over the course of the relationship.

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with.

Exactly this! Has always been the case for me anyway. Those who pitched in and didn't make me feel like a skivvy got far more of it. I wonder why?! Hmm
Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 16:19

@FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack

Sigh. Sorry, that was a rant and fucker was probably a poor choice of words in this context...
That made me laugh, thank you.

But yes, so true. I don't want sex, I want to be left alone for more than 15 minutes.

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FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 13/04/2021 16:19

Melroses Grin

WeeBisom · 13/04/2021 16:15

The book “come as you are” has been mentioned and I’ve just started it. It’s a bit frustrating to me because she defines woman as anyone who has a female body and the “psychological identity of ‘woman’” A minor point perhaps, but I don’t believe I have a particularly womanly psychology. She also takes great pains to emphasise that the female genitalia are functionally and structurally the same as male genitalia - so the clitoris is the penis etc. The aim of this is to make women feel normal (cos men have those parts too.) But reading it does feel very Ancient Greek “women are just a kind of men.” It would be nice to see some acknowledgment that women have their own unique body parts and they aren’t just males. I’m early on in the book but so far it’s not clicking with me.

Melroses · 13/04/2021 16:06

I wonder if a lot of men hide their own lack of libido behind their partner's issues.

Melroses · 13/04/2021 16:04

@FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack

Sigh. Sorry, that was a rant and fucker was probably a poor choice of words in this context...
But so true
FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 13/04/2021 15:49

Sigh. Sorry, that was a rant and fucker was probably a poor choice of words in this context...

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 13/04/2021 15:48

"Women are twice as likely as men to lose desire in long-term relationships. Of particular relevance to lockdown: those women living with their partners were more likely to lose interest than those in distanced long-term relationships."

Honestly, do they get paid for coming up with this?
I've been with DH for more than half my life at this point. I love him and fancy him, he pulls his weight around the house and with the kids and does the thoughtful little things that are like glue in relationships but frankly, I was ready to camp in the garden some nights to get away from any and all humans. You can't even go for walks to get some solitude because that's all we were allowed to do so every fucker was out there too...

GNCQ · 13/04/2021 15:46

We found that when men were in a relationship with a woman they were much less likely to report masturbation

Hahaha o my god talk about observer bias or what. "Reporting masturbation" is slightly different to actually doing it.

Has the porn industry completely passed this "reporter" by?

The largest consumers of porn are males. The vast majority of whom are in a relationship.

Something like 1/3 of porn users are female, yes ok women can wank without porn, but still.

You see a huge number of threads on the Relationship board started by women who's husband can't stop wanking off to porn.

Sorry this article is a crock of shit.

Aspiringmatriarch · 13/04/2021 15:38

Wow, CharlyParly, I'd love to know your secret! I think some couples do have more long-lasting chemistry. I'm curious as to why!

SarahAllenLondon · 13/04/2021 15:26

Do suggest reading

'Come as you are' By Emily Nagoski

and making any significant other male or female or other read it too. It puts to put a load of myths about human (spefically female ) sexuality.

But the main takeway that we all know extremely well is that sexual desire is context specific and a shit ton of domestic life, let alone domestic life in lockdown doesn't illuminate much sexual desire.

picklemewalnuts · 13/04/2021 13:54

Thanks Sapphos!

Twatterati · 13/04/2021 13:32

Does it drop off the cliff when they realise he's a lazy, selfish, boring twat who won't parent (but will 'help' sometimes, and doesn't she know it!!) and actually has no interest in changing things for the better, has no idea where her erogenous zones are and is partial to cheating (because she doesn't give him enough attention, waaaah waaaah)?

That's what my study concluded.

SapphosRock · 13/04/2021 13:31

Lesbian couples will have the same issues with chore share, or one less generous partner, as a straight couple.

See I disagree - in my experience lesbians tend to share the chores equally and we all know that often isn't the case in straight partnerships.

Sappho, do both partners lose interest or only one? Do you think women find there's a pattern to their own loss of interest- a period of time, for example?

I'm not really sure why but lesbian bed death is a well known lesbian cliche. Once the first few passionate dates are out the way they move in together (almost always within a year) and are both completely content to curl up in bed with a cup of tea, a good book and never pester one another for sex again unless they've had white wine or it's someone's birthday.

Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 13:27

And that this may have an effect on a woman's libido, too, in addition to the normal libido changes that happen in long-term relationships, should be well known by now. Including by the researchers the OP criticised.

Thank you @CharlieParley - very well and succinctly put.

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ConfusedAdultFemale · 13/04/2021 13:24

Oh I’ve definitely seen it all now

tigertreats · 13/04/2021 13:14

@JoysexrenovationFingerFumble

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with.

Our culture is so completely and utterly focused on what men like, what they find attractive, what turns them on, that the researchers seem to have forgotten that women also experience sexual desire (or lack thereof). It’s just absolutely hopeless, there’s no helping some people 🤷‍♀️

Grinyes - definitely agree. The chore -dodging man child issues regularly interfere with any libido. Feeling like someone's mom does not make me feel sexy !
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