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Can anyone help me please, I want to make a (probably completely pointless) complaint to a newspaper *[Content warning: concerns child sex abuse]

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UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 12:36

My local newspaper is reporting that this person has been convicted of downloading a video of a two year old being raped. This person also had searched online for information on raping and killing toddlers.

According to the sheriff's comments, this would usually mean a custodial sentence but ".I have to look at whether other options are available and in this case there are. “I will impose a Community Payback Order because of the exceptional circumstances involving mental health and various other reasons."

At a guess these mental health/exceptional circumstances are related to this person changing pronouns. They have also been subjected to the terrible fate of only being allowed ONE phone and laptop. Hmm

I want to complain to the news organisation about how they refer to this person who is legally male and, as far as I can tell, has no GRC. I'm not sure exactly how to come at it, although I feel they're complicit in gaslighting on an epic scale.

Does anyone have any text they've previously used which they could share with me?

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/04/2021 15:32

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

In The Courier it says 'raped by an adult woman

Yes, and having re-read the Record piece, they repeat this statement.

That's not at all what the later description of the video suggests though, so again, I think the issue here is that they are using the term 'rape' without understanding the precise legal definition of the term in Scotland.

Which would be a better cause for a letter of complaint! Bloody stupid, reprehensible journalism!
XDownwiththissortofthingX · 12/04/2021 15:29

In The Courier it says 'raped by an adult woman

Yes, and having re-read the Record piece, they repeat this statement.

That's not at all what the later description of the video suggests though, so again, I think the issue here is that they are using the term 'rape' without understanding the precise legal definition of the term in Scotland.

R0wantrees · 12/04/2021 15:28

As an aside, The Courier has had previous complaints and questions about its coverage of a male sex offender's conviction.
In 2018 Katie Dolatowski was found guilty of of "voyeurism and sexual assault at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court in August 2018. Dolatowski, who was 17 at the time, had attacked two young girls in supermarket toilets in Dumfermline and Kirkcaldy."

The Courier archive

The Courier [https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/819644/mum-of-supermarket-toilet-sex-assault-victim-warns-freed-attacker-could-strike-again/ archive]]

The Courier www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/

The Courier archive

source: transcrimeuk.com/2019/02/02/katie-dolatowski/

thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3496984-Article-in-Dundee-Courier-about-assault-of-10-year-old-girl-in-supermarket-toilets

UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 15:28

I will @transbadger

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UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 15:27

In The Courier it says 'raped by an adult woman' Angry

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 12/04/2021 15:25

Yes! There can be no other understanding. A 'female' rapist? Even in Scotland that still requires a penis!

The Record piece describes the video thus - "There was an indecent video of a male child, around two years old, having penetrative sex with an adult female"

Presumably they are describing the same video as the Courier, in which case I'd suggest the Courier is using the term 'rape' figuratively and not in the literal legal sense of the word.

R0wantrees · 12/04/2021 15:21

I want to complain to the news organisation about how they refer to this person who is legally male and, as far as I can tell, has no GRC. I'm not sure exactly how to come at it, although I feel they're complicit in gaslighting on an epic scale.

The sub heading, "A teenage girl who downloaded a toddler rape video and researched murdering babies has been allowed to walk free from court." is entirely misleading and inaccurate.

I can't access the majority of the article.

transbadger · 12/04/2021 15:20

@UnderHisAye

I've emailed the editor. It will be of no consequence, I know that, but I'd like an explanation.

Good luck. Please update us if you get a response.

UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 15:02

I've emailed the editor. It will be of no consequence, I know that, but I'd like an explanation.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/04/2021 15:02

@Sstrongtn

Yep *@igivein* so a male teenager watched a video of a male rapist. But both attributed to females.
Yes! There can be no other understanding. A 'female' rapist? Even in Scotland that still requires a penis!
CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/04/2021 15:01

@Palavah

Is the natal sex of the offender really the most worrying aspect of the ruling?
After judgement, yes!

You can see why in the ONS data - the number of women sentenced as rapists and pedophiles have risen quite sharply over the last few years.

The first question you have to ask is: Where all of those 'women' female?

Then - what will that do to provision of prisons, secure units; safeguarding measure in and out of school; our understanding of criminality, etc.

If the ONS data cannot be relied upon to be accurate (and it was told to shape up for teh census this year) then all sorts of sex based provisions will be skewed.

It is utterly disingenuous to say that this has no importance, is not of public interest, makes no difference. Because it does. Right now, it is making a difference to the lives of many women.

DaddyLangClegs · 12/04/2021 14:58

But it really is fine

We HAVE to worry about offending someone who may be claiming something we know to be untrue.

It is a shame they don’t seem to want us to worry as much about offenders harming children...

picklemewalnuts · 12/04/2021 14:56

How very dare they. Angry

DaddyLangClegs · 12/04/2021 14:47

As said. It was written correctly - well, correctly if you are adhering to NS’s wishes.

Just not accurately.

And things that are not accurate could be deemed as not true.

And things that are not true are lies.

But yes. Women are to blame here. Of course they are...

Hoppinggreen · 12/04/2021 14:44

@Sstrongtn

Yep *@igivein* so a male teenager watched a video of a male rapist. But both attributed to females.
Yep
Sstrongtn · 12/04/2021 14:42

Yep @igivein so a male teenager watched a video of a male rapist. But both attributed to females.

UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 14:31

I know @igivein it's so disturbing. It took me a few reads to click, and I was reading it with some context. Those who are not will likely skim read and just assume it's all factual and above board.

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igivein · 12/04/2021 14:23

Might also be worth noting that the report says the downloaded video showed a toddler being raped by a woman.
You have to have a penis to rape someone.

transbadger · 12/04/2021 13:47

It is absolutely disgusting that men's crimes are being recorded as women's.

There is no defence of this.

AssassinatedBeauty · 12/04/2021 13:47

It is concerning that this will likely be included in the statistics for women committing sexual offences like this. There are so few women committing this kind of crime that every individual male bodied person who is included in the stats will skew them. And the reason behind the increase will be obscured and impossible to analyse.

DaddyLangClegs · 12/04/2021 13:39

Is the natal sex of the offender really the most worrying aspect of the ruling?

One can only wonder what the ruling might have been if the natal sex had been considered.

However, with regards to the reporting, writing it correctly isn’t quite the same as writing it accurately.

And I would prefer facts to be in my paper.

UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 13:29

@Palavah

Is the natal sex of the offender really the most worrying aspect of the ruling?
It's not the ruling I'm concerned with though. That would be a spectacular waste of everyone's time as I'm unlikely to change the law!

It's the reporting that frightens me. If news organisations are now conditioned to lie in their reporting, what else are we being fed that we've no idea about, or what other doors will this open?

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theThreeofWeevils · 12/04/2021 13:25

@Palavah

Is the natal sex of the offender really the most worrying aspect of the ruling?
It's a deeply worrying aspect of the reporting (and recording, and, apparently, the sentencing.

A thread saying 'Tsk, CSA, isn't it appalling; it should be stopped' would have few dissenters but would be pretty pointless...

UnderHisAye · 12/04/2021 13:18

And like ours too.

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DaddyLangClegs · 12/04/2021 13:16

I do not agree with drug dealing grannies either.

But it is ok to tell the truth about that because it is about a woman.

There is the truth, the whole truth and nothing like the truth these days it would seem.

Their hands are all tied. Like their tongues.