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Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!

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XXSex · 10/04/2021 09:38

I am LIVID!!! New technical guidance has been released.
www.education.ie/en/School-Design/Technical-Guidance-Documents/Current-Technical-Guidance/sdg-02-06-sanitary-facilities-april-2021-.pdf

All mixed sex. Hand basin outside the WC (WAH your bloody hands in front of boys). Doors down to the floor (any one else see an issue in a mixed sex school with mixed sex toilets with this set up)

What the were the department thinking?!!!

Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!
Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!
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XXSex · 10/04/2021 10:46

Yes regarding cups. We have a period product Bill being debated at the moment and the senators said that these should be considered.

Debate here www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2021-02-08/15/

The senators who mentioned them are
Pauline OReilly and Mary Seery Kearney.

This detail could be included in the letter to the Irish Times.

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WarriorN · 10/04/2021 10:40

It's surprising as generally in new buildings / architecture the trend is to give full closed cubicles off main corridors with basins inside etc. But perhaps that's U.K. and as a result of the EA.

A local high school has toilets all like that and less bullying and graffiti was the main thing a staff member commented on. (had trans squiggles on the doors but I could see that these were relatively safe and in such a communal area.) we have them too for staff and our building was built at the same time.

I'd say letters to papers is a good way forward and also raising all the recent reports on sexual assaults.

Also, girls using moon cups; how embarrassing to wash them in public Angry

OhHolyJesus · 10/04/2021 10:37

Yes of course the EA2010 doesn't apply to Ireland sorry - I guess what I meant was, since I don't know, what equality laws apply and are how do the exemptions work? I would have expected there to be some equality laws in place that this would directly conflict with, since other U.K. law is reflected in Ireland.

So if they don't have to be applied, are there comparable situations where they have been applied?

I imagine this will end up in court with a judicial review type case/civil case. Is that likely/possible?

Schools in the U.K. usually have to undertake consultations with parents so if this happens they will be alerted and can complain/make their feelings known. The link should be widely shared.

XXSex · 10/04/2021 10:35

I can’t even type right now I’m so livid

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DoingItMyself · 10/04/2021 10:34

I hate this. School toilets are hellish for girls already. Dealing with periods in front of boys. Boys listening outside cubicles, pushing their way in, making lewd comments, trapping girls in cubicles.

In my first few months of teaching, a girl came to me to tell me her friend had been dragged into the boys' toilets and was being gang-raped. It was true. Police were involved but by then, she'd been raped.

How stupid is this 'no single sex provision' lark, wherever it is.

idontlikealdi · 10/04/2021 10:34

Fuck the bullying in my all girls school in the toilets was horrendous, this is crazy.

XXSex · 10/04/2021 10:34

The coloured photo is the standard. It’s at the back of the linked document above. The people on out are clearly both male and female in the same space. The black and white photo is the ALTERNATIVE to be considered on a case by case basis!

Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!
Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!
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FionaMacCool · 10/04/2021 10:34

@XXSex

Letter to the Irish Times anyone?
Yes. Thanks to the very brave ladies who have been writing over the past week, and the response to the Emer O Toole article, I feel safer sticking my head over the top. My professional organisation has been completely captured ("men can be pregnant too" policy). So, professionally, I've felt unable to say anything to date.

I also sit on a Board of Management. Currently looking at designing a potential new school.

FionaMacCool · 10/04/2021 10:31

XX I have read through the entire document.

It's fairly comprehensive and has bullying and disability provision as part if the design brief.

Unfortunately, nobody thought to think of one of the main forms of bullying i.e. male on female.

I have a real problem with this- if anything, I suspect it would entrench single sex provision in schools. I wouldn't want my DDs going to a school where their personal private bodily functions can be monitored by their male peers.
And the nature of adolescent boys is, that they will intrude, regardless of how well they mature later.

Also, what about single sex provision for staff?
Single sex provision for our growing Muslim population?

ArabellaScott · 10/04/2021 10:22

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the completely logical conclusion of gender ideology.

XXSex · 10/04/2021 10:05

Will Irish school boys be capable of closing the door when peeing?

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XXSex · 10/04/2021 09:54

Exemptions are legal but don’t HAVE to be applied

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 10/04/2021 09:53

ROI isn’t subject to the EA 2010: it’s a different country

I can’t see this going down well with parents or the wider public

XXSex · 10/04/2021 09:53

Letter to the Irish Times anyone?

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OhHolyJesus · 10/04/2021 09:51

I don't understand. Do the building regulations not apply or are they entirely different in Ireland?

Has the Duchess been notified?

Has anyone been in touch with Safe School alliance?

The parents need to mobilise - surely there is a commitment to the EA2010 and they understand that single sex exemptions are legal?

XXSex · 10/04/2021 09:44

The only reference to sex is for changing rooms. And in that case it’s not for the students - it’s for joe public who might rent out the hall in the evenings!!

Does that mean that the school is to consider changing rooms mixed sex also?! This is meant sarcastically as I presume Irish schools won’t go that far. Jesus I’d hope so!!!!

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