Page 11 | Ireland will no longer be providing single sex toilets in primary and secondary schools!!!

XXSex · 2021-04-10T08:38:07+00:00

I am LIVID!!! New technical guidance has been released. [[https://www.education.ie/en/School-Design/Technical-Guidance-Documents/Current-Technical-Guidance/sdg-02-06-sanitary-facilities-april-2021-.pdf]] All mixed sex. Hand basin outside the WC (WAH your bloody hands in front of boys). Doors down to the floor (any one else see an issue in a mixed sex school with mixed sex toilets with this set up) What the **** were the department thinking?!!!

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/04/2021 16:56

Assh the old " they will do it anyway" trope.

Noted

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:52

@Whatwouldscullydo

Thankfully I also have noticed that 99% of girls who want to use toilets use the cubicle toilets and no issues have been reported

No issues reported means nothing.

We know girls do not report assults etc

They are not believed.
They are victim blamed
They are conditioned ro put others needs first ahead of their own discomfort.

We can see fir example in rape statistics that not all are reported and the small number reported, well only 1 percent ir so results in a prosecution. This is what girls are up against. They will not report. They don't want to disappoint and they will trust the adults around them. If adults tell them they have no rights to privacy and that the feelings of everyone else come first then that's what they will sadly believe

I honestly would like to ask, if men are so keen to rape women in schools - are they really going to be put off by a closed off single sex toilet door? Surely a girl going to the toilet in closed off single sex toilets during a lesson where she could be the only one there is more vulnerable to rape or sexual assault by a predator than open plan cubicles where class teachers and staff can keep an eye on who’s going into cubicles?

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:50

@Biscuitsanddoombar how do you propose we police non visible disabilities?

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:49

@saltedcaramelchocolate

Whether there is a queue or not is irrelevant. Disabled toilets are for people with a disability.

Sorry, I should have said whilst they have similar characteristics to disabled toilets (I just referred to them as such as it’s easier, my mistake) they are not actually designated disabled. The sign on the door just says “toilet”

Biscuitsanddoombar · 14/04/2021 16:45

@saltedcaramelchocolate

Whether there is a queue or not is irrelevant. Disabled toilets are for people with a disability.

Yes this! People with disabilities fought like hell to get these and it grinds my gears that along with single sex toilets, they’re being thrown under the bus too

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/04/2021 16:44

Thankfully I also have noticed that 99% of girls who want to use toilets use the cubicle toilets and no issues have been reported

No issues reported means nothing.

We know girls do not report assults etc

They are not believed.
They are victim blamed
They are conditioned ro put others needs first ahead of their own discomfort.

We can see fir example in rape statistics that not all are reported and the small number reported, well only 1 percent ir so results in a prosecution. This is what girls are up against. They will not report. They don't want to disappoint and they will trust the adults around them. If adults tell them they have no rights to privacy and that the feelings of everyone else come first then that's what they will sadly believe

saltedcaramelchocolate · 14/04/2021 16:41

Whether there is a queue or not is irrelevant. Disabled toilets are for people with a disability.

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:40

@moochingtothepub

I have been having periods for 34 years I can honestly say I've never gone to a sink with bloody hands. You wipe them with a tissue. Bullying is a major issue in closed off toilets, I think straight on the corridor or clear lines of site is essential

I am the same in my 18 years of periods. I’ve also never seen women in single sex toilets come to the sinks with blood of their hands

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:39

@MichelleofzeResistance

Will be interesting to see if teenagers with GRCs find that it works equally well for both sexes in identifying into single sex schools. I suspect like prisons there will be sex based reasons why it won't.

What are you suggesting here?

That anyone who identifies as a different gender from their sex is going to rape women?

jul26m · 14/04/2021 16:38

@saltedcaramelchocolate

Disabled toilets are for people with a disability. Periods are not a disability.

Never been a queue thankfully for any disabled toilet in this school. Thankfully I also have noticed that 99% of girls who want to use toilets use the cubicle toilets and no issues have been reported.

moochingtothepub · 14/04/2021 16:32

I have been having periods for 34 years I can honestly say I've never gone to a sink with bloody hands. You wipe them with a tissue. Bullying is a major issue in closed off toilets, I think straight on the corridor or clear lines of site is essential

Holothane · 14/04/2021 16:27

Oh so because we’ve got to go woke girls oh sorry can’t call them that now will be subject to even worse worrying and bullying. I’m livid just livid. I remember my early periods and that was as in women’s toilets the worry etc.

MichelleofzeResistance · 14/04/2021 16:22

Will be interesting to see if teenagers with GRCs find that it works equally well for both sexes in identifying into single sex schools. I suspect like prisons there will be sex based reasons why it won't.

2021Vision · 14/04/2021 16:19

Surprised at that regarding indie schools, after all they claim they are are single sex, I wonder how they stand legally with this. I would be removing my DD if they allowed a born male to attend the school and would look at legal options. There was a girl who was transitioning who left the school, not sure whose decision that was.

Jaxhog · 14/04/2021 16:13

@MichelleofzeResistance

My understanding at present is that female children cannot identify in to independent boys only schools, Eton being an example, but a number of independent girls schools have accepted male children.

Well, it's all about 'budge up girls - you don't matter.'

MichelleofzeResistance · 14/04/2021 16:04

Yes it's all lovely and problem free

Except for all the problems mentioned here.

The thing is, not looking at or talking about problems, or people having the problems, doesn't vanish them. It really doesn't. Inclusion doesn't mean only looking at the nice bits and pretending you can't see the rest.

334bu · 14/04/2021 16:03

In many schools disabled toilets are only accessible to people who have a key, so do the girls just have to stay home when they have a period. Also do all these toilets have sanpro bins?

Zandathepanda · 14/04/2021 15:58

Numerous disabled loos would be great for the disabled children who need to use them. But if they become the period toilets they’ll have to queue.

saltedcaramelchocolate · 14/04/2021 15:46

Disabled toilets are for people with a disability. Periods are not a disability.

jul26m · 14/04/2021 14:11

@Whatwouldscullydo

I never understand how bullying is supoosed to be improved. I mean you have double the number of kids using the space if anything it gets worse surely?

And all the staff who suddenly aolear to supervised mix sex areas to stop bullying, where were they when it was single sex?

What do they do that can't be done in single sex areas ?

Well they can supervise open plan toilet areas like this in full view of other staff members, however single sex toilet areas are usually closed off - and staff are usually advised not to enter unless absolutely necessary to avoid any rumours/accusations etc.

Open plan toilets in schools also have benefits of lower rates of vandalism, lower rates of bunking off and hiding out in the toilets - not quite so fun in a single cubicle on your own.

We have had open plan toilets in a secondary school in Scotland since the summer with a new build and have had no additional issues reported or witnessed by staff regarding bullying or intimidation in the toilet area by the same or opposite sex.

And no one is leaving the doors open while they go to the toilet either. Numerous disabled loos on each floor with their own hand basin for any girl who needs to wash anything period related. They also are the only toilets with a full length mirror which probably has contributed to no one suspecting girls using them for anything other than that.

saltedcaramelchocolate · 14/04/2021 14:06

@Notoriouslynotnotious

Yes salted they will.

So presumably we can in the future refer to them as single gender schools.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 14/04/2021 13:43

Yes salted they will.

saltedcaramelchocolate · 14/04/2021 06:54

@HeirloomTomato

The only thing I can think of is that more Irish schools are single-sex generally than in other countries. When I was in school in Ireland about half of the schools were single-sex so possibly parents who are worried about this new set-up will default to choosing single-sex schools for their children. I know I would if it meant I could avoid this nonsense. There are an equal number of state schools that are single sex or mixed in most towns, from my anecdotal experience, so it wouldn’t necessarily mean paying more or going private.

I haven't RTFT but when Self ID is expanded to 16 and 17 year old teenagers, Single sex schools will have to a accept teenagers of the opposite sex with a GRC.

HeirloomTomato · 14/04/2021 04:54

The only thing I can think of is that more Irish schools are single-sex generally than in other countries. When I was in school in Ireland about half of the schools were single-sex so possibly parents who are worried about this new set-up will default to choosing single-sex schools for their children. I know I would if it meant I could avoid this nonsense. There are an equal number of state schools that are single sex or mixed in most towns, from my anecdotal experience, so it wouldn’t necessarily mean paying more or going private.

SomewhereThatsGrey · 14/04/2021 00:30

Haven't RTFT but one thing that worries me is how much easier it is for men/boys (referring more to older year groups here) to put hidden cameras in unisex stalls. Having reads news articles pertaining to such incidents in unisex public toilets, even I tend to avoid them whenever possible. Of course, women/girls can do something like that too, but statistically it's far more unlikely a scenario.