Pro-porn Childline film encouraging kids to google BDSM etc

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Have you read the thread?

Seemed liked an informative video that explains some of the issues of porn in a simplistic age appropriate way. Wake up that video is not going to be the first time your little darlings hear terms like "BDSM" and if it is it's better to hear about it like that, rather than a sexual partner trying to get them to do it.

Porn is fun to watch, drugs are fun to take. Alcohol is fun to drink. Cars are fun to drive.

Its massively missing the point to say that children search for porn because its fun; no they don't.

I know you desperately want to reframe this as a nice little black and white argument where you patiently explain why porn needs to be discussed to a group of prudes, but that's not what is happening here.
People have pointed out very specific things wrong with that video. That's what's being discussed here. How it's unsuitable for children. I don't say young people because it's very easy to manipulate meaning by saying young people. Children are people under 18, the people this video is supposedly aimed at. Young people could refer to anyone below 30.

To be honest if you showed this to a class in any of the schools I have worked in you'd be subject to a displinary. If you then defended it as you have it would not fly because teachers have to be impartial and that includes not promoting porn.
I admit I work in primary now so am not up to date with the latest curriculum changes, but a quick look this morning shows no need to discuss any of the things listed in the video. The education is as you would expect, very much focused on keeping safe and informing not promoting.

I don't have any parental controls on my phone and I don't want to elaborate on what I found when simply searching for that article.

Using the words 'school' and 'girl' along with 'porn' should be enough to give you an idea.

What happens when you ask children to talk about porn...

"Youngsters in years 7, 8 and 9 were set the work for their Personal, Social and Health Education (PSHE) class, as part of their home-learning during the coronavirus school shut down.

Teachers at Archbishop Sentamu Academy in east Hull asked the 11 to 14-year-olds to "define" pornography, soft pornography, hardcore pornography and transsexual pornography, as well as female genital mutilation, wet dreams, trafficking, male circumcision, breast ironing and more."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-fuming-daughter-11-set-22049850

However if this is in collaboration with child line then they would have approved this meaning it is okay to post.

Their approval doesn't mean it is okay.

People are NOT mistaking or confusing types of porn. Please stay with discussing THIS video and it’s messaging.

The messaging in this video, in my opinion, fails on many layers. Your bringing hard core/fetish porn into the conversation does not change the failures that I and others have pointed out in this video.

That you, as a sexual health expert, with, I assume, years of safeguarding training and education training for the relevant age group have stated you deem a good resource.

ASugarr

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“However, I'd much rather a young person in that situation watch this then find dangerous pornography.” (Written by Asuggar)

Absolutely. I too did not know many of these variations of porn and was especially confused by Swan dancing porn.

Of course children would look it up. Just think of those girls and some boys who love dancing. Think of the beauty of Swan Lake.
Now think of the horror of what they’ll find - immediately:

Without opening links I just found lots of porn sites look linked to Swan Lake.

Pointing the way to finding this- which in my opinion the video does- epitomises the meaning of corruption.

Well yeah if you google any thing with porn you are going to get porn. You can put restrictions on your internet so that key words like porn can't come up, again that's more of a parental thing.

Eh? What am missing here. An 'influencer' man, sponsored by the NSPCC, is telling children to google a porn genre to do with Swan lake (I'm assuming because of the obvious, but maybe I'm wrong).

And you are saying that parental controls on technology is the way to deal with it. Instead of not saying it.

Still, it's all on a par with the director of Childline saying "children are telling us very clearly that [porn] is having a damaging and upsetting effect on them.”

It's a complete mindfuck.

Have you ever read Ordeal by Linda Lovelace and Mike McGrady?

I think you should.

www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/ordeal/author/linda-lovelace/

I said I might make some changes, not very big ones though. I'd probably just want to discuss other parts of the porn industry and stuff.

I think people are mistaking that regular porn is fun to watch. We've used porn in various medias for decades (go the Amsterdam sex museum if you don't believe me). Porn hub as a site isn't very credible because of the harm its done, however porn itself outside of that is actually a fun way to masturbate and learn about the human body in a sexual way!

It might not be a fun thing for you, that's okay! But for many it is and discussing the pros and cons is important to allowing young people to make a choice for themselves to know if it is right for them. Do I think more hardcore/fetish porn should be behind a security system like they do in other countries in europe where you must be over 18 and show evidence for that? Absolutely. But do I think porn as a whole is just this super dangerous thing? No.

How does a child who has been shown porn by an older child know this is a form of abuse if it is “sharing for a laugh”?

I have a vague memory of a member of this board having to explain exactly that to her unaware daughter after finding out what had been shared on the daughter's whatsapp group.

I should add those to my next cut and paste of issues Delirium.

I think you have absolutely hit the nail on the head.

How does a child who has been shown porn by an adult know this is a form of abuse if Childline endorse the message “porn is fun”?

How does a child who has been shown porn by an older child know this is a form of abuse if it is “sharing for a laugh”?

Come to think of it, isn’t you job to dissect a video of this nature to accurately access it? I always thought that in dealing with a subject like this, for under 18s, you would need to show anyone who questioned it an assessment, like a risk assessment that you will have filled out to ensure safeguarding protocols are followed.

Or has my limited knowledge of safeguarding led me to believe things like this are done when clearly they are deemed necessary? One of the pitfalls of having such limited knowledge around such an important issue.

Look, at the end of the day this discussion should be have with parents. If for you that includes young people watching this then okay. If not then okay. That's your choice.
Sadly not everything can be 100% prevented. But giving open and honest information which I find this video does is important. If it doesn't for you then make sure you have that conversation with your children.
Do also remember they are allowed to have a different opinion to you.

You have stated though you would use this in class. You have deemed it suitable for class use as a sexual health educator.

Emotive arguments are great distractions but that is all it is at the end of the day. Nothing concrete (unless there is data to support it).

As I learned from an excellent marketing manager, I have an eager curiosity to understand what I am missing and others are understanding better. Hence why I am on MN.

You say you have the expertise. I am keen to learn from people who have a depth of knowledge and expertise.

Please show me what I am missing in the message and the communication style and delivery that makes this a good video.

Btw. You did say upthread you would change some things, that is an indication, to me, that you are not perfectly comfortable with this video despite your later assertions. Maybe you didn’t mean it when you said you would make changes though?? ?

“But giving open and honest information which I find this video does is important”

It is not entirely open or honest. It has a pro-porn/porn is fun/ slant.

Asking me to remember that my children might have a different opinion to me (which I presume you take to be an anti-porn one) seems to me to be suggesting you are pleased that ‘WTF is Porn’ will provide it.

Asuggar
“Well yeah if you google any thing with porn you are going to get porn.”

The point being that having watched the video children will find it.

If the ‘parental control’ system were working there would be less prevalence of children watching porn. Parental control would seem
one way or another not to give protection.

Presumably they are supposed to find ‘WTF if Porn’

Right, so your particular brand of safeguarding seems to be along the lines of why bother, they'll see it anyway.

And the point is, that the video points the direction. You are operating under the assumption that once children hit your magic age of twelve (a problem in itself) they look up porn. They don't. Exposure varies depending on many factors like upbringing, education and peer group. I wouldn't want a child's first exposure to be this video. That doesn't mean I am setting them up for worse. This video is not the Messiah of sex education and there are much better resources (some posted on this thread).
Frankly, Asugarr I think you have a very entrenched view of what the people on Mumsnet are like, so you automatically oppose any opinions you see, even when they make good sense.

Well yeah if you google any thing with porn you are going to get porn. You can put restrictions on your internet so that key words like porn can't come up, again that's more of a parental thing.

May I please refer you to the point on the previous page about where this leaves children who do not have parents who implement parental controls on the internet? Whether out of ignorance, naivety, or darker reasons?

Are they an acceptable sacrifice so a youtuber can come off as cool and worldly?

I taught my lot that misogyny is a form of bullying. Once you see it that way its a lot harder to unsee and easier to challenge.