Pro-porn Childline film encouraging kids to google BDSM etc

Unfortunately it is NOT illegal for children and young adults to watch porn

Showing pornography to children is illegal. Hope that helps.

(Why the need to reference young adults btw - we are aware it's perfectly legal for adults to watch porn.)

Yeah I watched that Twitter thread from maya

I agree would never let a kid of mine go near scouts when I saw the total lack of safeguarding that the scouts didn’t know and when I saw that thread

The sacred caste who must no5 be challenged was glaringly obvious

😂

I found the perfect image that perfectly encapsulates the counter argument.

^it is better to have a video like the one you share OP to talk straight, without mystifying porn.^

No one is arguing a video isn't a good idea. It's been. Dissected quite thoroughly further back if you care to actually engage with the content and concerns.

As to demystifying, I'm not sure what it demystifies. I'm still in the dark about swan dancing (thank goodness!)

Whether we like it or not, porn is here to stay and as long as the law regulates it as much as possible to guard children, animals, trafficking, etc consenting adults should be free to do it and or use it.

I recommend you read the actual thread. Then watch the video and maybe them address the actual concerns raised on the thread.

Rather than AGAIN assuming that people are stating that porn should not be discussed in age appropriate ways by people who are very well educated and experienced in safeguarding.

This thread is about this particular video. Why do YOU think it is a good communication tool for raising the awareness of the negative aspects of under 18 consumption of porn.

Unfortunately it is NOT illegal for children and young adults to watch porn.

"The implementation of this age verification system proved to be contentious and ended up being one of the most heavily criticised areas of the Porn Law. Critics considered that such a system raised serious privacy concerns because of the need to collect user data, and in any case would easily be hacked or bypassed with virtual private networks (VPNs) or anonymous browsers, rendering the law useless in practice. Such extensive criticism of this aspect of the law eventually led the government to put age verification blocks on hold for the time being."

The age verification process is not active.

As children and young people are going to be watching pornography regardless of what parents think or say, it is better to have a video like the one you share OP to talk straight, without mystifying porn. Of course you can't cover everything on a short video, but the idea is to give clear information in terms that what is seen is NOT real but acting.
NSPCC and Childline have lots of resources for children and young people to access and it's better to guide them to these safes websites than leave them on their own.
Of course is by no means exhaustive in the information but gives children enough basic tools to understand what is ok and what is not ok.
Whether we like it or not, porn is here to stay and as long as the law regulates it as much as possible to guard children, animals, trafficking, etc consenting adults should be free to do it and or use it.

I've been reading through some very interesting stuff on twitter today, involving Scouting and Maya Forstater.

I was seriously thinking about cubs for the offspring and volunteering as a parent helper after the pandemic. I wouldn't let my child in a million miles of a scout hut now!

"Involvement in a youth group is my guess, but we’ll never know because clearly it’s too outing to say “i’m not a teacher.” (Rolls eyes, knocks self out)"

Aimee Challoner was involved in a youth group.

The problem is now safeguarding is coming apart at the seams because of updating policies without really thinking them through. For example in scouting it used to be that you had to have same sexed leaders in charge of children who were then grouped by sex. I haven't kept up in guiding and scouts policies because I have not been involved for a number of years, but some of the new policies I have seen have some fairly obvious gaps in my mind.

Come to think of it scouting is another example I can think of where you have a real difference between the level of responsibility from different types of leaders. I had very responsible leaders and ones that got a bit drunk too.

Thankfully no one ever discussed porn with me. That was a line you didn't cross with children then.

But the point remains that safeguarding only works when everyone from the top to the bottom follows it.

Sorry for the derailing musings.

In Guiding we have regular safeguarding training and if you don't do it you will be kicked out.

Interesting perspective, I'd be reporting any primaries like that to Ofsted myself.

Like I said, it's only my experience but has been generally consistent across the primaries I have worked at.

The other thing I have noticed is that people working in behaviour units and youth work with the more disengaged children are very lax.

That's a whole scary world itself. I have volunteered in an alternative provision. It was hard to know where to start, they had a leaflet up about warning signs re safeguarding reports - the kids showed every one of them. I didn't report though because they were already in the system of social workers/ banardos support etc.

To add balance that is most definitely NOT my experience of PRUs in fact I’ve seen more things ignored in primary as the kids are often seen as “less vulnerable” and many staff are quick to give parents the benefit of the doubt.

But I don’t think this is the thread for that so sorry for detail.

I also find the 'that is your opinion, but porn is fun imo' very telling.

Fact is educators are not allowed certain opinions. You can't have racist, homophobic or other professionally dubious opinions. School staff have got the sack for being members of certain groups and liking things on social media. You're technically not even allowed to get drunk outside of school in public, as if a parent or child sees you it's bad role modelling. Teachers have been disciplined for attending hen do's. So people that think they can breezily discuss 'fun' porn and other such nonsense with children are in for a rude awakening.

Schools also search your online presence before interviews nowadays, so I would be very, very careful about flippant attitudes to safeguarding on sm, as it could come bite you on the bum one day. Yes, we're all anonymous on here, but we should still hold ourselves to professional and moral standards.

Porn isn't fun for the women making it; for the girls watching it and the women who end up in relationships with porn influenced men. That's what the video should have been about. Not some creepy guy's interpretation of sexy sex sexy things. Ugh.

GoingThruTheMotions

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

They'd be porn users themselves so it'd likely just descend into a chat with cons minimised

I wonder about this when I see a sex educator repeatedly stated porn is fun and fine for under 18s. Is the person in that position minimising the exploitative nature of too large a portion of the porn that is being consumed. The mental health aspects for both boys and girls also seem to be minimized.

We still did not get linked to any evidence, to any study, that detailed positive benefits for any person under 18 watching porn. Except a reference to better acceptance of sexual orientation which most surely could be done via other means other than porn.

I would still like to see any studies if they exist.

So many insightful points. newyearnewname123 pointed out that back in the day women spent years protesting about the casual use of naked women as 'page 3 girls'. Yet now we are expected to stay silent while useful idiots promote porn to children, portraying regressive, aggressive and dangerous portrayals of women and men. We have self identified experts in safeguarding, both on this thread and elsewhere, openly demonstrating their lack of training, knowledge and experience. GoingThruTheMotions shows what happens to the most vulnerable children when safeguarding is not understood or prioritised. Organisations produce appalling materials for schools that completely undermine key safeguarding principles - yet people too scared to point this out.
Just as with Savile, Rotherham, Baby P and countless others there will subsequently be enquiries / case reviews as the victims of this emerge.
Has 'Everyone's Invited' alerted government and organisations to the reality of girl's experiences with rape and sexual assaults? Or will (as we see on this thread) adults who should prioritise the welfare of girls and boys continue to prioritise the interests of the lobby groups and the porn empire while ignoring the reality for girls?

In my experience youth work and tas need less qualifications than teachers, so the job is taken more seriously in some cases. The quality of candidates is variable as they are not well paid roles (which I think is wrong as it means that the best people don't often apply)

I also find that in general primary school is more hot on safeguarding, probably because it's understood that they are children. There's less bs about allowing bad choices to happen because they are people. It's understood that they are people that the adults have responsibility for and that children lack the decision making skills of adults.

All schools and youth clubs will have a safeguarding lead, but the system is only as good as the team in it. Training and individual responsibility are important. The safeguarding lead is unlikely to have a direct report and it's the staff on the ground who are likely to encounter disclosures etc. In Primary the training is frequent as are reminders. We also have our own professional backs to watch out for. For example, if a colleague of mine showed that video in year six and said sex is fun, I'd report it asap. If I didn't and one of the kids told a parent or another teacher what happened, I'd find myself being asked why I'd made such a blunder. I think the difference in secondary is that kids don't generally tell parents as much so more slides, obviously this is just a generalisation based on my experience.

The other thing I have noticed is that people working in behaviour units and youth work with the more disengaged children are very lax. I worked briefly in one place where the staff were very clearly scared of the children and didn't use behaviour management or sanctions, got called by their first name. I left because someone senior to be failed to report a crime and told me to be quiet about it. I reported it anonymously to the police in the end. Everything was swept under the carpet, no one planned lessons and it was chaos. I can definitely see them pulling this video off as a sex education video on a hungover Tuesday morning. They'd be porn users themselves so it'd likely just descend into a chat with cons minimised and kids egging them on to more detail. The thing is, these kids had no one, expelled from mainstream and parents didn't care, so who was going to report anything unsuitable? Decent staff left because of the unprofessional culture and it just became a jungle. I felt a bit guilty leaving as there were kids there that needed my protection, but it was impossible to do from my position and I would have needed a lot more experience to climb the ladder. It was also a very stressful place to work and some male youths intimidated me because I was one of the few who tried to restore order and get learning done and I had to be fair to myself. It really opened my eyes to why safeguarding mistakes happen though.

You would still need safeguarding training.

There just seems to be lots of organisations that go in and do sessions with kids (not necessarily in schools) that have a different ethos to teachers/mentors/TAs but maybe that’s just my take on things.

I’m saying I think someone is talking up their roles and responsibilities.

As I am not familiar with these things, do youth support groups not have to have a person in such a role having a relevant degree and safeguarding qualifications?

Because why? Attendance is voluntary?

There is an open letter to childline if anyone would like to sign

www.ipetitions.com/petition/open-letter-to-childline-stop-normalising-the-use

Also please write to Peter Wanless and copy in SSAUK

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It's a red flag.

In plain sight. And ignored because ‘they must be experts’.

Like history has never happened.

I can't actually believe that particular user is a teacher. They don't seem very informed about the curriculum and are way too casual with safeguarding. Ok, there's a chance they might teach a subject that doesn't require critical thinking skills, but I think it's more likely they are a secondary ta or youth worker. In my experience there are very good people in these roles, but there are also those that think they are the kids mate and sit there adding eff all to the learning in lessons. I could definitely see them telling kids porn is fun. As I said before you don't get many of those types in primary as it's much harder to hide you're not pulling your weight.
So whilst it's scary these people have influence over children they don't really have authority.