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Pro-porn Childline film encouraging kids to google BDSM etc

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Sunkisses · 07/04/2021 16:20

Jeez, just seen this from the Safe Schools Alliance UK on twitter. Six years ago Childline produced this pro-porn film which is basically an advert for PornHub masquerading as a child protection resource. It tells children that porn is "fun" & recommends genres like BDSM to google. It's had over 3 million views in the last 6 years, and goodness knows how much it has contributed to the rape culture we are now seeing in schools. It is illegal for under 18s to view porn, and children should be taught this and the harms of pornography, not encouraged to view it with a nod, nod, wink, wink attitude.

You can view the Safe Schools Alliance UK tweet here: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1379528765261381634

SSAUK are calling on Childline and the NSPCC (who run Childline) to take this film down.

The Government should bring in age-verification for online porn ASAP to prevent children having easy access to online porn. All the laws have been passed, and the regulatory framework is in place. The Government bottled it at the last minute in 2019 after facing pressure from the powerful porn industry. Our children deserve better.

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adviceseekingnamechanger · 07/04/2021 19:13

I can't believe someone is on here effectively defending children's right to access porn and we're all silly Pearl clutchers to object to it. Honestly.

We talk to our kids about it, thanks. What we don't need is a video of a man saying he wished he looked like a porn star, providing a list of porn categories to look up and giving us all a wink wink about accessing it. It is literally encouraging children to look at porn. And you're defending it.

And you think 'there are gay teenagers' is some sort of powerful 'gotcha'. Spectacularly missing the point.

WarriorN · 07/04/2021 19:10

He says "you're 18 right?" And a young child's voice replies... Hmm

It's a joke but it's really not funny when 12 year olds or younger have sexually assaulted girls in school.

OhHolyJesus · 07/04/2021 19:09

There are a lot of reasons you might want to share porn. You might want to watch porn with a boyfriend or girlfriend, trade porn or share porn with a friend as a joke

For Childline to

Say you can share porn without risking prosecution (for under 18yo) is completely irresponsible

Say it can be shared as a joke means they think porn is funny

Say you can 'trade' porn - it's not swapsies - what is this the 2021 version of a sticker album or football cards?

Unbelievable!

Thank goodness we have SSA and others bringing this to the attention of parents.

WarriorN · 07/04/2021 19:07

I saw a tweet that I now can't find that listed the top porn hub searches or videos (again can't remember) and top of the list by a mile was statutory rape.

Plus obvious other rather horrid abusive and illegal titles.

The guy in the video also talks about how he's been there - kids admire YouTubers. He's saying "don't do it" - hmm, yeah, like that's gonna work.

(If anyone knows of the tweets which had an image of a list, it's worth sharing, I think the writing was in red iirc.)

2fallsagain · 07/04/2021 19:06

@OhHolyJesus the Pearl clutching comments really piss me off. Classic way of shaming and potentially silencing people who raise safeguarding concerns.

Frogartist · 07/04/2021 19:05

For those who say kids watch porn anyway and really there's no point in trying to stop them as it's just what kids do makes me wonder if the NSPCC should produce an education video on how to roll spliffs or how to safely heat heroine in a spoon without burning yourself.

she says asshedaintily pressesthe prize pearls toher décolletage...

Exactly, people do all sorts of things "anyway". Shall we just accept those things instead? Make them legal? That argument doesn't make any sense.

whatnow41 · 07/04/2021 19:05

@AlwaysLatte

Whaaat? With our strict router settings though they'd never manage to see any of it, thankfully.
I appreciate the thread has moved on from this comment but I think it's really important to note that routers and standard porn filters can't protect everything.

You also need to manually block certain sites. Reddit is a prime example. Even with the website blocked, if your child downloads the Reddit app, all the hardcore NSFW subs are freely available as it bypasses the porn filter. The change in legislation age verification wouldn't stop this either.

There are plenty of other apps and sites that use the same methods as Reddit to fly under the filters, that's why they are so popular and why we, as parents, need to be hyper vigilant to this.

OhHolyJesus · 07/04/2021 18:57

I've read books in the children's section of the library which do the same, it's shocking and deeply concerning that what was a children's helpline that was set up to give children who were being abused or at risk a chance to find help themselves has descended into producing pro-porn stuff for kids. It is non-contact sexual abuse and those pushing it from within the organisation should have their hard drives checked.

It's like Stonewall, Oxfam etc and how they use their established reputation to fool people. Luckily we are wise to this now.

I wonder what Esther Rantzen would say? Maybe even the charities commission is worth a call, as toothless as they are.

For those who say kids watch porn anyway and really there's no point in trying to stop them as it's just what kids do makes me wonder if the NSPCC should produce an education video on how to roll spliffs or how to safely heat heroine in a spoon without burning yourself.

she says as she daintily presses the prize pearls to her décolletage...

GoToSleepBabyPlease · 07/04/2021 18:52

I can't believe they called it fapz. Some weirdo has done that for a laugh and then come up with a contrived set of words for it to 'stand for'.

2fallsagain · 07/04/2021 18:48

This video is awful, chirpy chappy making it all fun, even the bits where he points out its all not fun are really just an aside.

The bit where he encourages children to google porn terms if bad enough but the bit where he says to the camera "you are 18 right" and a little girls voice, sounds about 8 or 9 says "yes" absolutely turned my stomach.

This is grooming in plain sight, being supported by our national children's charity.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 18:44

I agree missbarbary.

It starts and ends with that message.

That it is fun. And it is ‘fine’.

It is a complete and utter message fail.

MissBarbary · 07/04/2021 18:38

@Helleofabore

They're not encouraging children to watch porn.

Oh. Right. The lighthearted way of starting this video talking about ‘pornography is as fun to watch as it is as hard to forget’ is not the first thing that anyone watching this is going to remember despite all the well intentioned but patchy information that follows?. But still maintaining a light hearted and jocular mood and stating clearly that watching porn under 18 is not illegal in the UK.

The messaging here is an incredible fail. I am sure it is attempting to not shame anyone, but fails to convey the severity of the issues. The breezy, lighthearted approach that ends with ‘have fun’ counters any of the messaging.

I mean part four starts to get there but part five obliterates it with ‘as long as know what you are watching, enjoy it in moderation and you are not doing anything illegal, you’ll be fine. Have fun!’

Yeah... they are not encouraging kids to watch porn. At all. Not even the ‘fun’ porn.....

Did you even watch the video?

The video quite clearly starts from the premise that children will be watching porn and porn is on the whole, normal enjoyable fun.

The reference to "you are 18" is so jokingly insincere.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 18:37

Yes kids need to learn about porn. yes

This is not the right approach. most certainly not.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 18:35

@MissBarbary

But that's not the argument that was being made

Do you have reading and comprehension issues?

I've mentioned the failure to mention trafficking in almost every post.

Yes, it is glaringly obvious just how limited the ‘dark side’ was. It is also very telling what the intention of the poster who thinks this is a successful way to communicate the issues is.

I mean, they told us straight upfront when any person who expressed concern was labeled a ‘pearl clutcher’.

Sadly, your very well articulated point will be ignored by a few posters, but will be supported by many other posters and by many readers.

MissBarbary · 07/04/2021 18:35

I'm talking about the original poster. You are obsessed

I see you are incapable of addressing any of my points.

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 18:29

In the news at the moment

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56640178

'One in eight porn videos promoted to first-time users of the UK's leading adult sites are labelled with text describing sexually violent acts, according to a study.

It analysed titles and descriptions of 131,738 videos on Pornhub, XVideos and XHamster's launch pages.

One researcher said the prevalence of descriptions of rape, physical abuse and incest was "shocking".'

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 18:27

They're not encouraging children to watch porn.

Oh. Right. The lighthearted way of starting this video talking about ‘pornography is as fun to watch as it is as hard to forget’ is not the first thing that anyone watching this is going to remember despite all the well intentioned but patchy information that follows?. But still maintaining a light hearted and jocular mood and stating clearly that watching porn under 18 is not illegal in the UK.

The messaging here is an incredible fail. I am sure it is attempting to not shame anyone, but fails to convey the severity of the issues. The breezy, lighthearted approach that ends with ‘have fun’ counters any of the messaging.

I mean part four starts to get there but part five obliterates it with ‘as long as know what you are watching, enjoy it in moderation and you are not doing anything illegal, you’ll be fine. Have fun!’

Yeah... they are not encouraging kids to watch porn. At all. Not even the ‘fun’ porn.....

Did you even watch the video?

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 18:26

On so many of the sites aimed at children and young people the advice seems to be written with an older age group in mind, and from a male perspective.

FAPZ FFS harhar

And sharing porn with friends as a joke... IME this is done primarily by males. And the 'joke' is almost always a woman doing something revolting, degrading or that looks incredibly painful.

Yes kids need to learn about porn.

This is not the right approach.

When I talk to my kids about this stuff I don't start my saying it's totally fine and normal, really common, nothing to worry about.

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 18:21

FAPZ???!!!

What is childnet?

Anyway not watched the video BUT did Google and look at childline site.

Current advice includes

'Lots of people watch porn, which is okay. But it’s also okay if you don’t want to watch it, or if you’re not sure. It’s important to remember that porn is made for adults.'

'Whether it affects other parts of your life
If porn is stopping you from spending time with friends, family or enjoying other things then it can help to take a break from watching it.'

'Finding out that someone you care about watches porn can be shocking sometimes, especially if it’s a family member or someone you’re in a relationship with.'

'Watching porn when you’re under 18 isn’t against the law and you shouldn’t have to feel worried or ashamed about it. You won’t get in trouble if you watch it yourself.'

'There are a lot of reasons you might want to share porn. You might want to watch porn with a boyfriend or girlfriend, trade porn or share porn with a friend as a joke'

For info... 'Childline is here to help anyone under 19 in the UK with any issue they’re going through.'

Ok so 17 18 yo is different to 6yo. But the stuff above seems to me to be aimed at an older age group.

The adverts usually show younger children calling for help.

I doubt many 18 year olds would think of childline if they had a problem they'd be looking at resources for adults surely.

So in the context that it's for primary, and secondary, all the way through.

How does that advice sound.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/04/2021 18:14

It would be far better for Childline to be highlighting the dramatic rise in sexual exploitation, slavery and trafficking involving girls and young women, rather than blithely accepting that that's the way things are right now and hey, ho, kids gonna be kids. I've no idea where you lost your moral compass but your compassion for the victims of this trade is startlingly absent.

This.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/04/2021 18:06

What is that if not suggesting to children different porn terms to google?

Indeed. Do you think we all came down in the last shower, yeahbutnaw?

Datun · 07/04/2021 17:58

I have shared numerous links which demonstrate my huge concerns about young men and women being exposed to increasingly violent, exploitative and degrading porn, which involves trafficking, underage actors (rape) and violence against girls and women and is far too easy for very young people to access.

It's such an obvious dot connecting exercise, in light of the sexual offences happening to women and girls in school.

It's different to how it was even a few years ago. The degradation and wholesale humiliation of women is mainstream. Boys are growing up thinking it's completely and utterly normal. One boy, reported in MSM, was confused as to why the girl he was having sex with wasn't crying.

Claire4567 · 07/04/2021 17:54

Horrifying video for all the reasons pointed out by the well-informed posters. No way on God's earth would a child of mine view that video. When did everyone get so blind to what is happening under our noses. This is NOT ok.

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 07/04/2021 17:41

Trafficking isn't explicitly called out. If the argument made here was that it should be, then I'd agree.

I have shared numerous links which demonstrate my huge concerns about young men and women being exposed to increasingly violent, exploitative and degrading porn, which involves trafficking, underage actors (rape) and violence against girls and women and is far too easy for very young people to access. Of course these things should be addressed by a children's charity. It would be far better for Childline to be highlighting the dramatic rise in sexual exploitation, slavery and trafficking involving girls and young women, rather than blithely accepting that that's the way things are right now and hey, ho, kids gonna be kids. I've no idea where you lost your moral compass but your compassion for the victims of this trade is startlingly absent.

Datun · 07/04/2021 17:34

He saying porn is fun, it's sexy, and although unrealistic, he wished he look like a porn star.

He's basically saying that porn is great, except for these few bits here and there. It looks like he's had a serious problem with his attitude to women in the past judging by what he says.

I bet the first thing any kid does after watching that, is watch porn.

And then you get headlines like you have this week.