WeAreFairCop attempts to hold Derbyshire Police accountable for misrepresenting the law

But what do they mean by gender based crime?

Have they given examples? What sort of things and who they could be aimed at.

They mention misogyny on their stuff about this. Misogyny is not a word that everyone knows. And what does it mean? Hatred of women. Most of the random abuse I've got while out and about from men... I don't think they saw me as a person at all. And how can I know their motivation?

IF they want eg young women to report getting abuse shouted at them, or followed, wanked at etc. Then say it FFS.

What does it mean?

Derbyshire Police have been a failed police force in my opinion for years. Their response to Covid 19 enforcement especially the use of social media was spectacularly unhelpful. I think the Police Inspectorate formally rated them as failing a few years ago.

Crime is in the eye of the beholder then? So could I report my neighbour who royally offends me when he sings the Lion King tune over and over and over? Or the people two floors down when they fry stinky food and smoke cigars on the wee small hours?

Every woman in Derbyshire needs to report every incident, especially ones on social media. Fight fire with fire.

Absolutely.

MN won't let me post the screenshot (it's playing up today), but the police tweeted this in response to someone asking if people throwing t*rf and 'cis scum' around could be reported.

twitter.com/ejm_bo/status/1379437494782074881

We know hate crimes are all about our own perception, if we think it's hate, then it's hate, no questions asked. So...

'Cis' is offensive to many women (and men), even without the 'scum' bit. People who don't identify as a 'cis' are still labelled so constantly. Deliberately calling someone 'cis', short for 'cisgender', when they haven't explicitly asked you to is misgendering, therefore a 'gender crime'. Misgendering is also violence, therefore a 'hate crime'. Continuing to call someone 'cis' when they've asked you to stop is harassment.

That's how this works, right?

Fire with fire.

Really worrying

I've tweeted to report myself for not having a gender ID

I'm confused.

Their website says

'A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.'

Ok.

They are adding gender? What does that mean?

If a person is agender but they get abuse due to their sex (get your tits out blondie!) is that a thing they are interested in?

The abuse is due to sex. Not gender...?

If someone shouts that at a trans man or woman then it becomes a crime?

I don't get it.

Well, they might as well read palms to detect 'gender hate', it'll be about as useful as any other method once they find themselves trying to define exactly what it is they're accusing someone of.

I really really hope that should read: Lead for Gender, and Fingerprints.

And that would be bad enough.

Sex identification from fingerprinting is more of an archaeological forensic technique these days, given that the oil secreted within fingerprints is these days very much capable of yielding DNA sexed profile evidence.

It all makes the police look scientifically illiterate to the scientific community who support them.

mobile.twitter.com/DerbysCCSwann
Chief Constable for Derby police. Twitter bio reads: Chief Constable at @DerbysPolice, #NPCC lead for Gender and Fingerprints.

Gender and Fingerprints? Are they identifying gender hate by palm reading?

They all sound completely bonkers.

The police have just made up a crime that does not exist in law & that cannot be legally defined, and that should concern all of us.

This new, non existent crime will show up on a DBS check.

Are they really really saying you can be prosecuted for hating gender stereotyping now?

So if you are anti gender stereotyping are you allowed to be in favour of equality?

They are hardly a feminist organisation

I'm sure they'll be devastated to hear that 🤣

Gender hate?

Are they really really saying you can be prosecuted for hating gender stereotyping now? So that's every gender critical feminist in the slammer, then 🤣

As a direct result of the linguistic fuckery, they appear to be telling people that they will be prosecuted for pointing out sexism and misogyny, whilst, presumably, thinking it's a law that is against sexism and misogyny.

Dear God. It's just plain embarrassing.

What about misandry?
Yes, we'll take that too

But no response to the calls for action about misogyny!

Every woman in Derbyshire needs to report every incident, especially ones on social media. Fight fire with fire.

m.facebook.com/derbyshireconstabulary/photos/a.221324207999/10159516612298000/?type=3

Bit of discussion on Facebook

Link if you feel like reporting theur misogyny: www.derbyshire.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/hco/hate-crime/how-to-report-hate-crime/
"A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Not all hate incidents will amount to criminal offences, but it is equally important that these are reported and recorded by the police.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

Well it’s all in the perception Tibtom so I don’t see why not

Yes that was he...

I find them being a stonewall champion offensive and hate. Can we report them for that as a hate incident

Mysogney. gahh!!

'Gender hate'. does that mean they've defined gender?? (I bet they haven't)

I'm just cringing for them.