Gender Criticals vandalise LGBT centre and deface memorial to trans woman.

Ok so you’ve established most of us find this pretty shocking and not something we subscribe to.

Will you come out and denounce death and rape threats against natal women and denounce this effigy of Carmen Calvo?

[quote RedHoodGirl]Feminism has a long history of violence and vandalism. The suffragettes literally kicked in windows as a form of protest. More recently radical feminists (some of whom are prominent figureheads in the GC movement today) engaged in vandalism and arson.

It’s worth knowing feminist history: [/quote]
True. But I'm not sure whether the suffragettes' vandalism and violence ultimately helped or harmed their message.

And the comment hoping for cctv is the claims of false flag attack that I was predicting
Eh? False flag meaning
a deliberate misrepresentation of someone's affiliation or motives

How is hoping for CCTV to actually find out who did this a false flag?
In what context?

[quote RedHoodGirl]Feminism has a long history of violence and vandalism. The suffragettes literally kicked in windows as a form of protest. More recently radical feminists (some of whom are prominent figureheads in the GC movement today) engaged in vandalism and arson.

It’s worth knowing feminist history: [/quote]
What do you mean recently? Who? When? Where?

Defacing someone's memorial is beyond the llae though, it really is

You spelled transphobes and homophobes wrong in your op, you should ask mumsnet to correct it.

Oh the suffragettes certainly did. Maybe there is an uprising of young angry feminists that have resorted to these tactics. I'm surprised I have heard nothing of their presence though which makes me think 🤔

I hope we find out who they are either way. And of course I don't agree with vandalism from anyone.

My reputation on here is based on people making up stories in their heads about me rather than on what I actually post

No, no, my research loving friend, I am basing it only on what you’ve written here. You think we’re all just horrid, and your transparent attempt to bait us here doesn’t convince me any differently.

Feminism has a long history of violence and vandalism. The suffragettes literally kicked in windows as a form of protest. More recently radical feminists (some of whom are prominent figureheads in the GC movement today) engaged in vandalism and arson.

It’s worth knowing feminist history:

If this was done by GC people, the majority of other GC people will condemn their actions. I certainly would and I'd be damned annoyed that it happened. Just because I believe or support something, doesn't mean I will become an apologist for vandalism done in the name of that cause (or violence or abuse). All such behaviour should be condemned--- sadly it is not, is it?

@DimidDavilby

I trust you have made similar comments about TRAs and the many, many violent words and actions, physical assault, threats of physical assault death and rape, dehumanisation they have made against GC women? If not, why not?

I can't read Spanish but from the OP, it doesn't sound like the vandalism here was making violent or sexual threats. More a political point. Not exactly in the same league as the TRA tactics.

@Shizuku What are you views on the TRA tactics against GC women?

I condemn vandalism and attacking memorials.

I hope the people who did this are caught and punished according to the relevant laws in Spain.

Too bloody right I'd join in condemning it. If I knew who had done it I'd name them

Such shit benefits nobody and I wouldn't stay quiet if some hard of thinking individuals claimed to have done it in my name.

But until someone claims it we don't know. So, we'll just have to wait and see.

"Sex is not gender", "My oppression is not your identity" " Buying babies"

If it turns out that it is a gender critical group that has done this, I for one (and many others on this board I'd imagine) will join will you to condemn the individuals who have committed criminal acts, particularly against a memorial. As Im sure you do when we see criminal acts committed by gender activists.

Absolutely

comment hoping for cctv is the claims of false flag attack that I was predicting
You don't hope there is CCTV of the perpetrators then, Dimid? Why might that be, I wonder (not really).

I really hate vandalism.

I don’t speak Spanish and I don’t know the context, but if this was done in the name of activism that aligns with my beliefs, then I wouldn’t endorse it.

Will that do you, shizuku? I am guessing probably not, as sadly, my perception of you is that you will react and respond to this as “nobody on Mumsnet would even denounce this!! They are all lost to reason!”. Your reputation on here isn’t as an honest poster seeking debate, so it’s hard to muster up the energy to engage with you on the level.

That's horrible

@DimidDavilby Im sure you agree with the rule of law and therefore understand that unless they have the responsible parties in custody, all we can say at this stage is that criminal damage/vandalism has occurred, it has gender critical overtones and that you support the police in their investigation.

If it turns out that it is a gender critical group that has done this, I for one (and many others on this board I'd imagine) will join will you to condemn the individuals who have committed criminal acts, particularly against a memorial. As Im sure you do when we see criminal acts committed by gender activists.

And the comment hoping for cctv is the claims of false flag attack that I was predicting.

Or, you know, maybe we think that vandalising a memorial is disgusting and would like to see the people responsible punished.

I don’t know what a “false flag attack” is.

The situation in Spain has been volatile and nasty for a while. I remember the effigy of Carmen Calvo. That must have been terrifying for her and for other women. Imagine having to walk past that.

It’s completely unacceptable to vandalise a memorial, though. Shame on the protesters who did that.

This is the wide eyed denialist gaslighting I was expecting.

Denial? Do you think it was someone here who did it? We're not a hive mind.

And the comment hoping for cctv is the claims of false flag attack that I was predicting.

Don't you want to know who did it?

Whataboutery

I've noticed a lot more young people taking a gender critical stance lately, used to be just us oldies. I guess this is one of the outcomes of that, TRAs will be getting a dose of their own medicine. Not that I approve, its just unlikely that its older women!