Biological sex is apparently - ambiguous.

if your obsession with trans people really was borne out of concern for the children, you would not tolerate remarks like this in your community. you always manage to tell on yourselves don't you

The 'obsession" you talk of is actually about two things, primarily:

1. Protecting and defending women's right to the dignity and privacy of their sex - as an integral reality

2. To protecting young non conforming or vulnerable children and adults from gender ideology

"Biological sex is an ambiguous word...."

That's two words, love.

I can't take you seriously if you can't count to two.

Which is the number of actual sexes there are. The irony.

If "biology" is to be framed as "ambiguous" with absolute certainty then surely stating the biological obvious is neither here nor there, and why would you be so upset by it? Shouldn't you be telling us that voices are on a spectrum and no one knows? These are your rules, I think you must play by them.

Having a deep voice indicates that this person transitioned in adulthood, after puberty, which I thought this board was passionately in favour of.

My comment wasn't aimed at the speaker. I don't care how well an individual person passes. My point was that if biological sex doesn't exist, then how can I can hear a voice and read it immediately as male or female within seconds? That would be impossible if biological sex was really 'ambiguous' as the speaker claims.

@outed "if your ["]obsession["] with trans people really was [born] out of concern for the children"

If transwomen's (you don't hear from transmen much at all) obsession with validation was really born out of a concern for the recognition of their human and civil rights, they would recognize that women have those rights too.

I’m not in favour of anyone feeling they have to ‘transition’ to feel accepted. I’d much rather we got rid of ridículos gender stereotypes so that people born male could wear dresses and have long hair and still be proudly male rather than feeling they must somehow be a woman

Sex is not ambiguous - There are only 2 sexes, everyone is one or the other. people with DSD are not a mysterious third sex

Having a deep voice indicates that this person transitioned in adulthood, after puberty, which I thought this board was passionately in favour of
Define transition

I have a real life friend who had full surgery before they were 20
they do NOT sound like that speaker.

People who have had surgery and the chemicals do not sound like that

(a good case study is Lynette Nusbacher who appeared on episodes of Abandoned Engineering right the way through their transition - you can see and hear Aryeh turn into Lynette over the series)

This person's voice indicates quite clearly what sex they were observed at birth.

That is clearly a biological voice.

And yet the sex of that person is easy to tell 🤔🤔

Having a deep voice indicates that this person transitioned in adulthood, after puberty, which I thought this board was passionately in favour of. snide comments about how well she does or does not pass is unlikely to encourage other trans youth to wait until adulthood before starting to transition. if your obsession with trans people really was borne out of concern for the children, you would not tolerate remarks like this in your community. you always manage to tell on yourselves don't you?

And yet the sex of that person is easy to tell 🤔🤔

The supreme sense of self entitlement, amongst other aspects.

Its a good exemplar of coercive-control pattern behaviour

Holding everyone hostage for the purposes of validating identity.

How precarious!

I've said this before, but if biological sex is ambiguous, the human race has been extraordinarily lucky in terms of who's had sex with who to get us to the point of a world population of 7 billion.

Its a good exemplar of coercive-control pattern behaviour.

It was Joanna Harper.
At 15:35 Harper says that it is "extraordinary objectionable" that male athletes are described as male is a) offensive and b) inaccurate and asks if the moderator can intervene to prevent Linda Blade from using the accurate sex descriptor 'male'.

At 18:40 Linda Blade attempts to find language acceptable to Harper.

'Trans Athletes and Fairness
'Be it Resolved: Safety and fairness preclude participation of trans athletes in high level women's sport.'

GUESTS
Linda Blade
Joanna Harper
munkdebates.com/podcast/trans-athletes-and-fairness

Ah, the old 'hate speech' argument. There are 2 sexes. Who knew that sentence would ever become Hate Speech? I feel like I've stumbled into a dystopian dream state, any moment now I'll wake up...

Do these idiots not know what biological sex evolved for and how it works?

I bet they know unambiguously what sex their parents are/were. And if they don't then frankly they're not worth listening to.

I've heard other TRAs (Joanna Harper?) use a very similar tactic in interviews about

This made me think of Cyclepath (genuinely not sure what name is being used currently, I know it changed).

And yet the sex of that person is easy to tell 🤔🤔

Am I going to get deleted for calling that person a plonker? I honestly have no idea any more. It's just... for fuck's sake. Of course there's no scale for biological sex. That's what we've been saying.

Odd, because the video started to play before I looked at it and immediately I heard this person's voice as male. Nothing ambiguous about that at all.

I'd like to know what "medical literature" they were quoting

Biological sex is an ambiguous word that has no scale

there's no scale because it's binary, you absolute plonker.

Words fail me.

That is the intention.