Biological sex is apparently - ambiguous.

Frog
No idea if its feminine or not.
Cocaine it certainly is.

Thats an unambiguous voice.

But how do we name these persons with uteruses who happen to also be the persons who produce the milk (the article has no answer).

I'm vegan so know a lot about the dark side of animal agriculture.
Arguments of whether vegan is the right thing to do aside, dairy and egg production does absolutely use female animals as a commodity. They are the machines that produce the products. It's fact. Male animals have their own problems, as they are generally discarded due to not being useful to the industry.
How on earth anyone who claims to be vegan can insert themselves into animal suffering is beyond me.
It's kind of annoying being lumped in with people who don't really care about animals but just enjoy the label.

If you think it’s clothes or beliefs or affectations that make you a man or a woman, you are a sexist, and seriously out of touch with reality.

Hear hear Heather!

Wow that vegan feminists thing is interesting. It seems to start with a coherent if slightly mad argument that feminism should reject all the concepts of feminine and masculine and of men and women - so noone is a woman, they might be a person with a uterus but they're all persons.

(That would seem to make it impossible to transition. )

Then I think it jumps straight to TWAW and the central importance of affirming this . So, for ideological reasons, women are not women, but persons, but transwomen are women. People with uteruses should reject the woman label but people with penises should claim it. This step does seem mad to me - please debate this if it makes sense to you.

Thanks NS1 - a very nice remedial evolution lesson for the ignorant or confused.

Heather Heying laying down some reality:

HH: Newsflash: it is precisely your biology—at least 500 million uninterrupted years of it—that makes a man a man or a woman a woman.

HH: If you think it’s clothes or beliefs or affectations that make you a man or a woman, you are a sexist, and seriously out of touch with reality.

Respondant: Are you sure about the "500 million uninterrupted years"?

Respondant: That takes us back to the Silurian, when we were primative fish.

Heather spells out exactly how sure she is:

twitter.com/HeatherEHeying/status/1377805849888923650
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1377805849888923650.html

Oh dear, the usual nonsense.

so as to fit in with the crowd

Anyone care to analyse who so many women and girls are into this stuff? The Crucible keeps popping into my head

A combination of:

1. Not having yet been exposed to the realities of life as a woman in a female body ( pregnancy, childbirth, motherhood, inequities at work and so on). Although a few seem to have been waking up to the vulnerabilities of women, recently, in response to the Sarah Everard murder

2. Living in ivory towers of academia - relatively shielded, and invested in ideological discourse

3. Being more than keen to be on the 'right side' and be ideologically pure and consistent son as to fit in with the crowd ( this is a very big driver for many). But one day most will wake up ( point1) - and re-evaluate in the light of experience.

Anyone care to analyse who so many women and girls are into this stuff? The Crucible keeps popping into my head

www.collectivelyfree.org/the-womyns-club-and-transphobia/

Saw this a while ago... And now that the term "biological sex" is problematic it does remind of the vegan feminists..

Sometimes I think that THEY think, if they say the same thing over and over again ad nauseum, it somehow makes it true. Almost as if they need to jeep repeating it to themselves to give it validation.
However, it will never be true, and really, even they know it.
There is NO ambiguity about biological sex. large gametes or small gametes. There has never been, and will never be, another kind. No-one has ever produced both.
Saying words doesn't make it true. And that's all there is to it really. In 100'000 years time, there will still be males and females. Reproducing to produce other males and females. There is no ambiguity, sorry.

That video made something click for me on the
Trans Women are Women
argument
and passing as another identity

Use a sound recording
remove all visual cues

I suspect that almost all women and most men will be able to work it out in seconds

Biological sex is an ambiguous word that ... says nothing about our sense of self nor our holistic physical characteristics throughout the course of our lifetimes. I rather think that women's distincitive sex says quite a lot about our sense of self in that how we are treated is determined by our sexed bodies and our physical characteristics. But then the person who said that cannot know such things because of, you know, biological sex.

Trying to discuss reality with the person making the video brings to mind Jurassic Park III "oooh, aaah, that's how it always starts. Then later there's the running and the screaming"

It's ok, I speak raptor.
Roar, roar, bark, shriek.
'That Ellie is pretty cool, let's not eat her face.'
'I concur, dinosaurs eat man, women inherits the earth'.

No! The rapters defo had a plan.

Incidentally if all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are female it passes the Bechdel test.

I don't think the dinosaurs talked to each other.

The 'obsession' is with protecting women's rights and children's safeguarding from obfustication like this intended to remove necessary sex based definitions.

If there was mutual respect and acceptance that these things cannot be dismantled for those who would prefer not to be constrained by the idea of sex without forcibly dismantling rights, protections and the meeting of needs for others - and largely others with much less political clout and voices and protections in law -

this board could go back to sleep, there'd be no problem, and we'd all be a lot happier. Live and let live has to happen on both sides.

We'll that was the mistake they made in Jurassic Park, 'cause, you know, frogs.
Incidentally if all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are female it passes the Bechdel test.

^But again, how do you know they're all female? Does somebody go out into the park and pull up the dinosaurs' skirts^