Chauvin trial re George Floyd - Sky News

If he is found not guilty of murder on the grounds that he was following police training, then the whole police force should be held culpable. The people at the top of the chain of command must be held accountable for the behaviour of the people below them if they claim to be only ‘carrying out orders’.

Whether the officers involved at the scene are racist or not is actually irrelevant - the whole US police system is inherently racist. To deny that is to deny reality.

He should be found guilty, and sent to prison for a very long time. However, I can see that not happening. If you thought BLM protesters were angry last summer, watch this space for more outrage.

TRAs have cleverly attached Themselves to BLM.

I did see a video yesterday about trans rights in the UK, in which it was claimed that GC feminists exclude black women, disabled women and lesbians from their feminism. I have never ONCE seen a GC feminist do this and the interviewer should have challenged this claim. Sadly, she didn’t.

If they can prove reasonable doubt as to cause of death, Chauvin will get off.

I don’t know much about US law, but under UK law, wouldn’t Chauvin still be guilty of attempted murder? There was a gruesome case several years ago in which a teenage boy “murdered” his sleeping grandmother by inflicting a non-survivable injury on her. However, in a bizarre twist of fate, the post-mortem showed that the grandmother had died of natural causes shortly before the attack.

Agree elgreco.

I hate to be a pain in the hole but this thread is clearly in Feminism to get screen shots. It will only take one comment saying Not Racism for all GC feminists to be labelled racists and/ or white supremacists who are fully behind the patriarchy due to your white woman fragility.

TRAs have cleverly attached Themselves to BLM.

George Floyd was a man killed by another man and the OP has not come back.

It should be discussed. Somewhere else.

If we are discussing this from a feminist perspective we could ask how would a female police officer restrain a person of GFS size and build, who was high and acting manic and being uncooperative ?

Are female officers given the training and equipment to do so safely ?

Im in no way defending the police officer's behaviour but have you actually seen the whole footage from the beginning of the arrest? He was being difficult and they tried to sit him in the car, he refused and demanded to be put on the floor. He was clearly as high as a kite and behaving unpredictably.

To me it beggars belief that anyone can seriously suggest that kneeling on a mans neck for 9 minutes has nothing to do with his death.
This. Totally shocking.

I wonder if anyone who actually thinks that would like to demonstrate? If they are sure someone kneeling on their neck for 9 minutes wouldn't be a problem it would be OK wouldn't it.

If he died as a result of the drugs then it could have nothing to do with his death but that doesn't mean it is a harmless act in itself. Just as stabbing someone after they had been poison - stabbing is a harmful, violent and potentially fatal act but if the person is already deceased it wouldn't be the cause of death. The defence don't need to sure it was definitely the drugs only that it might have been the drugs.

The racism is a separate issue I think, the trial is about if Chauvin committed murder/manslaughter.

I have not been following the trial but from this thread it seems the question is whether the drugs GF consumed immediately prior to his arrest, and subsequent restraint, were the cause of death and the restraint was immaterial to his death? It must be beyond reasonable doubt that this was not the case in order to convict?

Well OP has not returned and now there's a whole bunch of 'it's not racism' messages all ready to be screen shot on the feminism board ...

I am also curious op as to why you chose Feminist Chat for this thread rather than say the News boards? Is there a specifically feminist angle to the case that you wanted to discuss?

I definitely believe that racism played a part here, but not too many years ago a white woman was shot by these same police after she called them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShootingoffJustineDamond

What on earth are you talking about? That's incredibly vague.

I do not understand why it is assumed racist and unkind to critique popular cultural narratives and I refuse to buy in to that kind of emotional manipulation.

He died because his heart stopped
Whether the cause of his heart stopping was asphyxiation or drug overdose is the question
I very much doubt that asphyxiation could be proved to have had nothing to do with it even if drugs were also involved. Surely a jury is going to have a hard time believing that 9 minutes of having your airway blocked has nothing to do with your heart stopping at that exact moment.
It's going to have to be some post mortem report to cast reasonable doubt on what people's eyes can tell them.

Whether the crime was racially motivated or not matters less than whether it was a criminal act or not. You don't have to prove any particular motivation to show it was homicide.

'Whether or not he actually died of a drug overdose or not is a factual point'

So he happened to die on a drug overdose while that bloke knelt on his neck? Not connected at all? He'd have dropped dead outside anyway?

Case closed!

Whether or not he actually died of a drug overdose or not is a factual point. It's not impossible as he had just taken a lot of drugs while already high.

Whether or not their motivations were some sort of racism, or something else, is also not an excuse for the actions taken. Another factual point which we may or may not find out the answer to.

There is something really wrong when applying anything but some approved narrative to events where there are facts we don't know, or which could mean several things, is seen as unbelievable. That's the only way to actually analyse anything.

Yes agreed hence I reported it and asked it be moved

But whilst it was here I thought it would be good to reply to ensure that it doesn't appear most people on FWR are bigoted in case that was the intention

'It's weird that the thread is here but it won't make feminists look bigoted because we are not.'

You think that every woman in the world who is interested in women's rights is insurgent incapable of racism?

Or just... On here? I mean it would be nice to think so but who knows. I mean people are complicated. Inconsistent.

I would also point out this is an open forum and anyone can post anything anywhere.

And additionally that a lot of posters at the moment are here on a single issue. On anything else, who knows.

Anyway. This is an issue about
USA
Police brutality
Racism
There are linked issues as well eg the opoid addiction crisis in the USA

There are better places on this site to discuss it.

I reported it to ask for it to be moved and I hope other people will do/ have done likewise

All depends covoid- anyone can post! People who don't usually etc etc

I've been asking from the start why this is in this topic.

And covoid while many arguments are similar, that doesn't mean white people who don't like sexism understand what racism feels like. Women who experience racism do obviously but if that's not you then while you may think xyz you don't really know do you.

This thread is not related to feminism and I don't know why OP put it here. The correct place is in the news or similar- where I would be more than happy to get into the conversation. As I am with the govt report that just came out.

Has OP been back?