Chauvin trial re George Floyd - Sky News

Totally agree, well said, NiceGerbil

I don't understand this sort of approach tbh.

It reminds me of when rape victims used to be quizzed over their sexual history and what knickers they were wearing. (Still happens).

So what if he was addicted to opoids? The USA has a massive massive problem with this that cuts across society. Classes races you name it. An enormous amount of people are addicted to these drugs.

He used a dodgy note? Did he know? I assume the suggestion isn't that he forged it himself?
If you are in the UK and ever tried to buy a train ticket or something in a machine and it spat out your pound coin, then it was almost certainly counterfeit. That's why they change the design of money periodically. I really don't understand the significance of this. If you were in normal life in England 15 years ago you have almost certainly possessed and used counterfeit currency.

So... What is the point of this stuff? The man knelt on his neck while he begged for air.

[quote pabloescobarselasticband]@ancientgran he wasn't clearly having a panic attack at all (im a medical professional btw) he was behaving erratically because he was high on opiates! He was anxious and paranoid again caused by the substances he had taken. [/quote]
that makes it okay then 🥴

I also wrote a post 9 miles long a bit earlier then lost it

Essentially it was about how some people trust the police etc and some don't. And their views on this and other cases will flow from that.

I think it would be better, in in the news?

I really do. I'll still post!

Black Man Crime: $20 dollar counterfeit bill
White Man Police Crime: Murder

Let's see who wins eh?

He genuniely does seem distressed. He had every opportunity to attempt to flee, to attempt to assault a copper to get free or to simply have fucking knocked both of their noggins together and sped off.
I have experienced a lot in my life and I recognise genuine fear when I see it. If you've been beaten within an inch of your life and you realise that for you, there will be no justice, then, yes, fear kicks in and you comply.

Pablo I am also a medical professional and a mental health one at that. You can have no accurate idea of the cause of his mental state from the symptoms.
A number of conditions could show those symptoms

He isn't 'paranoid' as in deluded or psychotic. He is very anxious but you cannot diagnose the cause of that from his mental state without further information.

People have died of head injuries and of diabetes complications because others put them down as drunk or high.

@ancientgran he wasn't clearly having a panic attack at all (im a medical professional btw) he was behaving erratically because he was high on opiates! He was anxious and paranoid again caused by the substances he had taken.

His mental state doesn't seem normal as to whether that's down to drugs or a panic attack or another mental illness or just bitter past experience I can't say but he appears just absolutely terrified throughout and that leads him to resist when he would have been better served to be compliant

He's pleading from the time they try to put him the back of the care that he's 'claustrophobic'. At a certain point where they had him on the ground, he's pleading that he would do it (presumably get into the car). I suspect, though it wil never have been recorded, that he has been a victim of police before. I have. There is no record of it anywhere. That I now have a fear of police would appear insane and like I'm being trouble.

If you watch the video I cannot see when he would have had the chance to take any drugs. They cuff him very early on whilst he is still in his own car quite a long time (5mins at least) before they put him on the ground.
Before they try to put him in the car or on the ground he gives his name and address completely lucidly.
He is at no point at all overtly aggressive or threatening. The most he does is resist being put into the back of the police car and for that he is put on the floor
He is saying 'I can't breathe' 'mama' as soon as they try to put him in the car from way before he is on the ground
He is begging and pleading 'I'm not like that. I'm not trying to win' and he looks to me pretty submissive but terrified throughout. He appears genuinely afraid he will die. He never utters any threat to anyone else
His mental state doesn't seem normal as to whether that's down to drugs or a panic attack or another mental illness or just bitter past experience I can't say but he appears just absolutely terrified throughout and that leads him to resist when he would have been better served to be compliant.
People on the street advise him to just comply but he seems unable to.
After 5 minutes of the knee on the neck he stops talking and after 6 minutes he stops moving
Passers by can be heard by then expressing concern 'get him up. He can't breathe'
To my eye after 7 mins he stops breathing. By then the passers by are saying 'he's unresponsive, check his pulse'
And still Chauvin keeps his knee on an unresponsive man's chest
When the ambulance arrives after the 9 and a half minutes he has been keeping his knee on the neck of an entirely unresponsive person for at least 2.5 minutes
When they put him on the stretcher and in the ambulance he is clearly dead and no attempt at CPR is made at all.

None of these people gave a shit about his life very clearly.
He wasn't dead already when Chauvin put his knee on his neck.
Even if he was dying (and he doesn't look in any way like he is dying) he could very definitely have been saved and everyone on the street knew it except those officers (none of the rest offer up any challenge to Chauvin)

If Chauvin doesn't get convicted of this then it will be a travesty and there will be protests and violence and not just in the US.

Very similar things have happened and continue to happen to mentally ill black men in police custody in the U.K. so we are not at all blameless

www.inquest.org.uk/leon-briggs-conclusion

According to the CDC there’s approx 4000 deaths a year in the USA with “asthma” given as cause of death.

Presumbably where they are in a hospital setting having being admitted with 'asthma'. A death on the street? Hell no.

In the Grace Millane murder trial, the jury convicted because after enough time with his hands around her neck, preventing her from breathing, she did indeed stop breathing, but he didn’t remove his hands, so of course she died.

It’s the same thing. Too much time elapsed after Floyd stopped resisting, and then stopped moving, and yet the knee stayed. It stayed on his neck until he died.

However, I will not be in the least bit surprised if justice isn’t served.

My perception very much is - the US is a lawless society. People carry guns and use them willy nilly. Police routinely get away with murder.

From what my kids see of the US in the news - it’s akin to what I used to see growing up, in countries like Northern Ireland, Beirut.

I am being somewhat provocative.

But my point is - the US is not the idyllic, promised land of my youth. It doubt it ever actually was, but these days it absolutely is not. It’s no longer somewhere people look to for any kind of leadership - but certainly not for moral ideals on things like ‘justice’ and ‘democracy’.

If Chavin walks free, America’s standing and respect from the world will continue to plummet.

Opiate overdose (fentanyl is an opiate like heroin) is very easily and quickly reversible with an injection of a drug called naloxone.

If they are suggesting he was already in the process of dying from an opiate overdose when Chauvin stood on his neck then it still wasn't a forgone conclusion he would inevitably die. If instead of kneeling on his neck he had got him medical help he would not have died.

Also fentanyl is very quick acting and you would stop talking and breathing within seconds to a few minutes so when is he supposed to have managed to take it??

Anything which threatened my environment or safety were immediate triggers for asthma attacks. You WILL PANIC. You WILL KICK OUT TO SAVE YOUR LIFE.

By the way, I developed asthma as a result of feeling like I was not in control of my environment or safety.

Have you ever heard of a report of Death By Panic Attack, Death by Asthma.
No. You have the eventual cause of death listed - not what fucking caused you to die in the first place.

@BelleHathor Thanks for sharing that. I could only watch the first few minutes as I have asthma and I've been manhandled by police before. That feeling that you can't breathe can rarely be medically quantified by post mortem tests, yet that is exactly what happens. I suspect panic attacks are similar. I've actually cried for the first time for this man as I had never seen that footage. He reminds me so much of myself.