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I've been watching this closely and I don't think the defence is doing a good job. All the experts they've brought on in cross have basically said to force was excessive. Some guy yesterday tried to say someone complying would be resting comfortably and not moving if officers were on top of them. Common sense says your instinct is to try and find a position where you can breath if someone is sitting their weight on you. And in his case he had 3 grown men kneeling on him. Of course he's going to wriggle about trying to get air.

The defence has a nice line in victim blaming and blame-shifting generally. Everyone is entitled to their defence and I am sure Mr Nelson is doing his level best but it must be a living nightmare having to stand up and say the things he is reduced to saying.

Just look at how victims are treated in rape trials...

Will there be a hint of remorse somewhere?
Right now, remorse would be advised against I believe as you can only be sorry when you have done something wrong (and he is saying that he didn't).

I hope that I am making sense (but I am not sure that I am)

Does anyone know why Chauvin is not in prison orange with escort and handcuffed?
Because it would prejudice him if he was made to look like a criminal.

(I am saying that is the reason not what I think of him)

I understand the prosecution cannot bring this up except under cross questioning of the defendant, which is why Chauvin almost certainly won't be giving evidence. I doubt we'll ever know what was going through his mind. I doubt we'd know even if he did give evidence, frankly.

The defence has a nice line in victim blaming and blame-shifting generally. Everyone is entitled to their defence and I am sure Mr Nelson is doing his level best but it must be a living nightmare having to stand up and say the things he is reduced to saying.

Does anyone know why Chauvin is not in prison orange with escort and handcuffed? Is it because he was bailed? I expect there will be mention at some point of what a white police officer convicted of killing a black man is likely to experience in the prison system.

Will there be a hint of remorse somewhere? I'm not optimistic.

Do you know if they can use this ?
Usually under English law the answer would be no but every state in the US has its own laws

[quote GizmoBasil]Everyone should read this.

In 2017, Chauvin knelt on a 14 year old boys neck for so long he cried for his mother and said 'I can't breathe'

The fact the press have told us more about Floyds past character, as if that excuses us, more than Chauvins, proves without any doubt the systematic racism that still exists in the USA.

And I say that as a white police officer.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes[/quote]
That's very telling . Do you know if they can use this ?
If I've read right it says the defence are not wanting it seem as it's in the past . Seems unfair as all day they have brought up GF past .

There is another testimony on use of force, this one bought by the Defense.

Everyone should read this.

In 2017, Chauvin knelt on a 14 year old boys neck for so long he cried for his mother and said 'I can't breathe'

The fact the press have told us more about Floyds past character, as if that excuses us, more than Chauvins, proves without any doubt the systematic racism that still exists in the USA.

And I say that as a white police officer.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes

It was not legal opiates and we heard earlier that the last batch he had with his partner caused agitation. His medical report also listed anxiety.

Anyway what I took from the recent testimonies were that the agitation didn't justify the level of force applied.

Just to be clear they cut the plaster cast off not the ankle! That would be a bit extreme.

@pabloescobarselasticband he wasn't clearly having a panic attack at all (im a medical professional btw) he was behaving erratically because he was high on opiates! He was anxious and paranoid again caused by the substances he had taken. It might not be what a medical professional calls a panic attack but I am claustrophobic and I've never taken drugs in my life, I can't even take OTC as they make me sick, and I'd be just like him.

I had a broken ankle and couldn't even cope with a plaster cast so they had to cut it off. If I was handcuffed, particularly with my hands behind my back I would be out of control.

Have you any phobias? I don't think you have an understanding of claustrophobia, lots of people think it is just about a confined space but it is much more than that.

I think the defence presents its witnesses today, and the Judge said the jury are going to be sequestered from next Monday.

Oh, OK. I didn't know much about fentanyl at all. Thanks for the info.

I use fentanyl patches (legally prescribed) and you do, well I, feel more anxious agitated and excitable on the first day I put on a patch. I then get slower and more lethargic for the next 2 days. That’s why it’s used illegally for the high you get when you first take it

[quote pabloescobarselasticband]@ancientgran he wasn't clearly having a panic attack at all (im a medical professional btw) he was behaving erratically because he was high on opiates! He was anxious and paranoid again caused by the substances he had taken. [/quote]
I don't quite understand this point - opiates are a system depressant, aren't they, so people on opiates are slow and sleepy, not agitated. For agitation you would be looking more at stimulants, like meth or amphetamines, wouldn't you?

CPR is something that should be taught at school (IMHO)

Cardiologist said every minute with no pulse reduces survival by 10-15% (we heard this earlier in trial too) , one reason why they invest significantly in training the community in bystander cpr. Glad that's recognised.

I say this without any comment regarding what happened

Where the eggshell skull rule applies is when the act of the accused caused the death of the victim, for example if the knee caused the victim to die.

It does not apply where the victim died from the vulnerability, for example the victim OD'd due to drugs.

Also I know that this is an English law concept but I am not sure about Minnesota law

The defence is covering every angle in this case.

Sorry for DM but it shows more detail on this one:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460269/Gov-calls-probe-traffic-stop-Black-Army-officer.html

I believe this man likely saved his own life by pulling over at a gas station instead of in the dark. I believe these cops are sociopaths and would do the same to anyone including white men if they thought they could get away with it.

My DH had a cop draw his weapon on him at a simple traffic stop (he pulled up to a temporarily closed entrance at a military installment. It was not obviously marked closed until the gate, he simple attempted to turn around.) Even after he identified himself with military officer ID and explained why he was there (GPS, no signage about the entrance being closed) this state trooper kept his weapon drawn. It was terrifying.

I wonder if they will suspend the trial for today due to the shooting and protests.

Chauvin tried to negotiate a plea for 3rd degree murder prior to the case but i believe it was the attorney general who wouldn't agree to it.

I don't think they are trying to fight for an acquittal but rather just trying to get the lowest charge possible and the lightest sentence.

What happened was bad but it isn't intentional murder, 3rd degree murder or manslaughter is an appropriate charge but obviously this case is one of the most political cases in a long time and if they had agreed any plea deal for any sentence less than life in prison it would have meant even more rioting than there already was and potentially cost some politicians their seats. Unfortunately this case is more about politics than justice.

My god...courts will be busy.

I'm just sick reading how his mother begged to get her child's body off the ground.

Only in America can you be shot and killed for a traffic violation.

www.nytimes.com/2021/04/11/us/brooklyn-center-minnesota-police-shooting.html?referringSource=articleShare