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Chauvin trial re George Floyd - Sky News

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chilling19 · 31/03/2021 08:42

Is anyone watching this? With the really upsetting and unarguable against video footage I can't see how the defence can build a case. Also the baiting by the defence lawyer of the female EMT witness was horrendous, as was the judge telling her off. She held her ground though, as did the previous child (female) witnesses.

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chilling19 · 20/04/2021 22:25

Justice is served. RIP George Floyd. ❤️

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Delphinium20 · 20/04/2021 22:24

Guilty on all 3 counts!!!! Thank god! We're crying in joy and relief!!!

CousinKrispy · 20/04/2021 22:20

I can hardly believe it! What a relief, if a very bittersweet one.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 20/04/2021 22:09

On all charges!!!! What a relief

HmmmmmmInteresting · 20/04/2021 22:09

GUILTY!!!!!!!!!

PaterPower · 20/04/2021 22:05

I wish the politicians over there would shut up - would it have killed them to wait for the trial to be over before potentially giving him grounds for an appeal?

HmmmmmmInteresting · 20/04/2021 21:36

@SmellsLikeWineIGuess

In the Grace Millane murder trial, the jury convicted because after enough time with his hands around her neck, preventing her from breathing, she did indeed stop breathing, but he didn’t remove his hands, so of course she died.

It’s the same thing. Too much time elapsed after Floyd stopped resisting, and then stopped moving, and yet the knee stayed. It stayed on his neck until he died.

However, I will not be in the least bit surprised if justice isn’t served.

My perception very much is - the US is a lawless society. People carry guns and use them willy nilly. Police routinely get away with murder.

From what my kids see of the US in the news - it’s akin to what I used to see growing up, in countries like Northern Ireland, Beirut.

I am being somewhat provocative.

But my point is - the US is not the idyllic, promised land of my youth. It doubt it ever actually was, but these days it absolutely is not. It’s no longer somewhere people look to for any kind of leadership - but certainly not for moral ideals on things like ‘justice’ and ‘democracy’.

If Chavin walks free, America’s standing and respect from the world will continue to plummet.

Absolutely this!
MissSM9102 · 20/04/2021 20:57

I can’t even begin to imagine what the Floyd family must be feeling right now but my thoughts are with them and I truly hope their strength is a step towards a change.

Delphinium20 · 20/04/2021 20:43

So on edge right now. Just wanted to say thanks to the non-US posters who have been watching with those of us who are closer to this trial. We really appreciate your concern-please send a little good karma our way that Chauvin will be convicted. Can't stomach another week of riots.

MissSM9102 · 20/04/2021 20:38

Verdict is in. Expecting announcement at 930pm GMT. Really unsure what this means with being so quick.

Bedsheets4knickers · 20/04/2021 08:27

I missed the prosecution's but I watched a fair bit from the defence . It was very long . Left me feeling slightly unsettled . It was like he was finally showing what he was good at. I just hope the prosecution have done enough . I want this to be the start of a change in heavy handed policing in the USA.

chilling19 · 19/04/2021 22:50

I watched it and thought it was a good summing up from the prosecution. Just got to wait for the jury to come back now.

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MyPatchworkQuilt · 19/04/2021 21:59

Anyone watch the prosecution summing up?

Only watched half but I thought the Prosection have done a good job talking to the jury from a human perspective.

I also thought it was helpful to remind the jury that this isn't the State versus the Police, it's the State versus Chauvin and that we trust the Police on the whole. The point he was making is that officers who don't follow their training, values etc are not good for the Police. I agree with all that.
That doesn't convince me there isn't a systemic problem that needs addressing though.

Do we know when the verdict is due?

NewlyGranny · 16/04/2021 08:26

Both sides sum up on Monday, then the jury is sequestered for as long as it takes for them to reach a unanimous verdict. A majority won't do, apparently. And if they can't agree there has to be a re-trial. 🤦🏼‍♀️

BananaMaltLoaf · 15/04/2021 21:43

Good to hear that a summings up takes place 🙏.

Bedsheets4knickers · 15/04/2021 19:19

I didn't like how Chauvin portrayed himself today . I hope the Jurors have seen enough . He came across so arrogant . I only caught a minute or two today but he enraged me .

NewlyGranny · 15/04/2021 18:45

The summings up! Autocorrect did not like that word. 😏

NewlyGranny · 15/04/2021 18:43

The summons up on Monday will be critical. The prosecution doesn't have to prove Chauvin was the sole cause of death, just the major one, which they've done pretty effectively.

Does anyone really think that if Floyd hadn't been restrained in that fashion for that length of time he would just have dropped dead without any further interference? That's the question.

BananaMaltLoaf · 15/04/2021 15:49

As it concludes I do not envy the jury. They've been repeatedly advised that Chauvins decision not to testify (under 5th Amendment) is not admission of guilt nor should have any bearing. He is presumed innocent as is the legal system and its down to the state to convince them he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

NewlyGranny · 15/04/2021 12:07

Seeing a defence cobbled together from cobwebs and an expert witness with eyes as dead as the defendant's is chilling, but nothing like how people will feel if he is found not guilty. And the jury must reach a unanimous decision; if they don't we're looking at a re-trial.

chilling19 · 15/04/2021 09:44

Yes it is better to go through the trial, but it is painful to watch.

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StarCat2020 · 15/04/2021 03:28

There is simply no defence
Surely it is best if the defence goes through the motions and then he is found guilty rather than giving him an opportunity to claim an unfair trial later?

chilling19 · 14/04/2021 23:21

There is simply no defence.

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BananaMaltLoaf · 14/04/2021 20:54

I really had difficulty with yesterdays witness. However he did draw attention to the fact Chauvin failed to respond to the pain which was evident.

Todays pathologist said that if someone is short of breath, they slow down and stop.

Well I can say that's simply impossible to say. I have a lung condition and the first time my lung collapsed I suddenly lost 50% of lung function and without realising I exerted myself running. I most definitely did not calm my breathing down, with my heart pounding I gulped as much air as I could, it wasn't even a choice. Yes I stopped moving aside from trying to breathe, but if someone was stopping me trying to breathe I sure as hell would have done everything I could to physically get air. It's not oh I overdid it I'll slow down, which we have all done, it's a huge panic with one aim of surviving, in some ways made more frightening because you don't know what it is because you haven't experienced it before, and that is where I believe Chauvin gets his kicks, putting the fear in people.

NewlyGranny · 14/04/2021 18:46

"Paraganglionoma" repeatedly from David Fowler, a retired forensic pathologist. I only learned the word this week but even I know it's a paraganglioma. And he's included "potential carbon monoxide" from the squad car's exhaust as one of the causes of death, but not the left knee on the neck or the right knee on the back. 🤷🏼‍♀️