Chauvin trial re George Floyd - Sky News

I do appreciate being black can be an additional factor in the states. Which is why officer Daniels put out a series of videos on Facebook how to behave if someone gets pulled over. Which is very useful advice for anyone really. Get through the moment and deal with the rights and wrongs of it afterwards. But GF, I'm not sure. Mainly because it seems to be a police restraint method, and other men have died as a result of that too. Chauvin might be a racist. Or he might not be. I don't think the outcome of this case will provide that answer. An overhaul of policing methods and restraints clearly needs reviewing regardless.

Who is disbelieving them? Other whites men and women?

Most people acknowledge police brutality happens, people's point is being black is like having a target on your head. All it takes is the officer to have a bad day.

We've seen it with elite people including Daniel Shaver but generally being black is a n additional risk factor

It is absolutely well known in the mental health and policing world in the U.K. (and presumably the US) that people who are in a state of heightened arousal with adrenaline coursing are at risk of cardiac arrest.
Add into that drugs (illicit or prescribed) and health conditions and restraint can be the final straw that kills someone.
Prone restraint (face down) is especially dangerous
If you know someone is high or mentally ill you should take more rather than less care if trying to restrain that person.
That police officer at the very least recklessly endangered George Floyd even if he did not intend to kill him. His death was a reasonably foreseeable outcome of that restraint and even untrained passers by were able to see that risk so why wasn't Derek Chauvin
He is without excuse in my eyes.

Yes I agree.

And I still have no idea why the OP put this thread in this topic.

I take no issue with the OP (pretty sure sure we agree) just the "no racism here folks!" posters are rather

I have no idea whether it was a racist murder or not. Nor do you. You can speculate. Always best not to assume though isn't it. And chauvin is not on trial for racism. He's on trial for murder. A similar murder to other cases. White men killed by the police. So whether he is found guilty or not, it is unlikely to answer whether it was a racist attack or not.

It amazes me that this board is usually so savvy with calling out ideological manipulation/media bias and yet can't seem to fathom that it may also be something happening during this trial.

To me it beggars belief that anyone can seriously suggest that kneeling on a mans neck for 9 minutes has nothing to do with his death.
This. Totally shocking.

To me it beggars belief that anyone can seriously suggest that kneeling on a mans neck for 9 minutes has nothing to do with his death.

At the start of it he is conscious and moving and talking and by the end he hasn't got a pulse.

I cannot understand how that could equate to him coincidentally dying of an unrelated cause whilst having his neck crushed?

I also cannot understand what autopsy evidence you could have to prove otherwise. You cannot get a time of death down to minutes or seconds from an autopsy. You'd be better to do that from the video footage where you can clearly see at what point he looses consciousness.

He may have taken drugs that predisposed him to his heart stopping and he may have had underlying heart disease but he would not have died if the guy didn't asphyxiate him.

I get they have to mount a defence but the whole world has seen what happened. Of course there will be riots if he is not convicted.

I can't believe that people have watched that video of him being killed and still find excuses.

I still don't understand why this thread is in feminism?

I also think that televising trials is not a good thing. Like with oj. It just doesn't sit right with me.

@Scepticaltank

So this is just entertainment to you? George Floyd deserved it?

I take no issue with the OP (pretty sure sure we agree) just the "no racism here folks!" posters are rather

* I* wonder if they will convict a white officer of killing a black victim.

Excellent point.

The thing is, even if something totally different happened medically, it wasn't a good police response. Even when you consider that the police are allowed to use a lot more force than most other groups that might use restraint, like nurses or whatever, the police can use deadly force if it's deemed necessary. But they still didn't follow good practice.

But my feeling is that because of the politicisation the court is kind of screwed in terms of its ability to look at the evidence about the death itself.

Or white women who are not believed.

My heart truly bleeds for them. They have it the worst of all groups.

What it comes to for me is that George Floyd lost consciousness and Derek Chauvin kept his knee on his neck. They couldn't find a pulse and he kept his knee on his neck.

There's no explanation for that and no possible excuse in my mind.

You can watch the trial live as I said and watch all the proceedings on Court TV, Channel 179 on Sky.

Wish someone would consider the plight of those white men who are routinely assaulted, harangued and assaulted by police officers. Race has nothing to do with it. WE are all The Human race.

If they can prove reasonable doubt as to cause of death, Chauvin will get off.

It will come down to expert medical witnesses as to cause of death.

Defence are going head on for reasonable doubt in terms of how he died. Courts are not nice places. So far, they are trying to prove potentially drugs, potentially paramedic response. That's my interpretation of where they are going with it.

@Dervel 2. The autopsies, whilst both appear to differ they are more similar that it first appears, George Floyd’s heart gave out, and there is evidence of this occurring before the knee hold was applied.

If his heart gave out before the knee on his neck how was he shouting, saying he couldn't breathe, calling for his mother and saying he loved her? I can't see how you can do that if your heart had given out.

Plus only worrying about whether or not people were illegally killed if they were "good" people is a bit of a slippery slope to start down...

Are people legally killed? In America? With the death penalty?

@Delphinium20 Yes. There was a successful conviction of a police officer in the US - it was also in Minneapolis. Justine Damond was a woman killed by a MPD officer. Yes the only successful conviction of a police officer for murder in Minneapolis was a black officer and white victim.

I wonder if they will convict a white officer of killing a black victim.