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AZ clotting issue affects mainly women

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womanity · 31/03/2021 00:40

According to Germany.

The German medicines regulator, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, has found 31 cases of cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CSVT) among people who received AstraZeneca in Germany.
Almost all the cases are reportedly in younger and middle-aged women.

Covid: Germany limits use of AstraZeneca Covid jab for under-60s www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56580728

It would be interesting to know if, for example, Canada was able to give us similarly clear statistical evidence by sex.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 31/03/2021 13:32

NB - on a general note, a lot of the relevant journals are signatories to SAGER ( Sex and Gender Equity in Research - including sex disaggregation of data amongst other things )but they don't implement it.

www.equator-network.org/reporting-guidelines/sager-guidelines/

researchintegrityjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41073-016-0007-6

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 31/03/2021 13:28

@Mygardenisnotperfect

Interestingly I’ve seen 2 cases of CSVT in the past year, one in a woman in her late 20s and one in a woman in her early 50s. Both happened not long after the first wave of COVID and I’m now wondering if they may have been linked to COVID infection. It is such a rare issue that it was a bit unsettling to see two of them within the space of a couple of months. Fortunately haven’t seen any since vaccinations started personally but it’s a rare illness.
That's a very interesting observation! It sounds feasible that it might have been existing infection.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/03/2021 13:26

Oh! Let there be more on this. If we are going to have to suffer through much more than this re Covid at least let it be repsonsible for some gender bubbles bursting!

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womanity · 31/03/2021 13:19

Isn’t it interesting that when we read it’s women affected we immediately think of contraceptives and hormones, not whether or not they liked playing with dolls or wearing pink?

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Gingernaut · 31/03/2021 12:49

[quote Scout2016]Newsletter link newsletter.carolinecriadoperez.com/issues/invisible-women-sex-disaggregated-blood-clots-462065[/quote]
When I saw the ages of the women who died and who are no longer being given the AZ vaccine, I did wonder about contraceptive pills.

andyoldlabour · 31/03/2021 12:46

Geamhradh

I posted on another forum about the problems with the Pfizer vaccine compared to the Astra Zeneca one. The press seems to be ignoring problems with the Pfizer vaccine, despite the fact that 23 people in a Norwegian care home died shortly after having it.
I think it is political, because the Astra Zeneca vaccine is a fraction of the cost of the Pfizer one.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2021 11:23

We're more at risk of clotting than men in general so it's no big surprise.

Who is "we"? What's a man? Is that anyone who identifies as a man, Hibari?

ErrolTheDragon · 31/03/2021 09:08
  • Through shooting ourselves in the foot, we’re pretty far down the path of not being able to track that anymore, Canada moreso. And if clotting is more prevalent in women, then ofc, it’ll be women more at risk.

It's shooting everyone in the foot. If there were increased risks for something for females on testosterone or males on oestrogen, that would be unrecognised unless there's clear unambiguous data.

Scout2016 · 31/03/2021 08:21

Welcome. I learn so much from this forum - such clued up posters - I'm always keen to pass it on and return the favour where possible.

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womanity · 31/03/2021 08:05

[quote Scout2016]Newsletter link newsletter.carolinecriadoperez.com/issues/invisible-women-sex-disaggregated-blood-clots-462065[/quote]
That newsletter is great - thanks for posting.

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womanity · 31/03/2021 08:00

@Cuntryhouse

Yes but if it does have cases, it won't be able to report on sex.
Yes, that was my point.

If there’s a particular kind of person that’s more likely to be affected by something, it’s good, useful and right that you’re able to measure and track that and inform those people.

Through shooting ourselves in the foot, we’re pretty far down the path of not being able to track that anymore, Canada moreso. And if clotting is more prevalent in women, then ofc, it’ll be women more at risk.

Sex matters. Women matter.

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Scout2016 · 31/03/2021 07:58

In Caroline Criado Perez's newsletter (which someone on here recommended- thanks!) she discusses this. It's linked to the combined pill and pill being a risk factor explained the age and sex of those most common to have it. She included a link to this article.
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n774

GrumpyHoonMain · 31/03/2021 07:57

India is using it under a different brand name and there have been no clotting issues reported in the under 60s despite clotting disorders and conditions causing clotting disorders being higher there. Same with the UK - over here the clotting issues have been with men and are related to Pfizer - despite younger people being vaccinated in quite large numbers at local vaccination centres

toffeebutterpopcorn · 31/03/2021 07:55

@ErrolTheDragon

I wonder if they've cross correlated with the type of contraception.
That’s what I wondered?
Tibtom · 31/03/2021 07:53

The oldest age groups in the uk got pfizer due to vaccine rollout dates. But I do wonder about rollout in other countries if they are vaccinating more younger people when they have only vaxccinated 11 % of the population?

ErrolTheDragon · 31/03/2021 07:50

I wonder if they've cross correlated with the type of contraception.

Flywheel · 31/03/2021 07:46

I've seen people musing on European forums whether the reason UK are not seeing cases is because they are using AZ in the older population. It is banned in a lot of countries for over 70s due to the initial lack of data in that age group, so all doses are going to younger people.
I agree, statistically AZ is still very safe and I'd be delighted to be offered it. For the young and healthy population, it may be a harder sell and they may prefer to take their chances with the virus.

Cuntryhouse · 31/03/2021 06:54

I think that's what the op was getting at.

Unescorted · 31/03/2021 06:53

31 cases in 2.7m doses according to the article. That is 0.001%. compared to the 2.9 % of people who have died after contracting Coronovirus (using yesterdays dashboard numbers).

NewYearNewTwatName · 31/03/2021 06:48

Cuntryhouse ahh yes I see.

you've right, I haven't been on this board for a while, so had forgotten about that.

Mn753 · 31/03/2021 06:42

Some are saying could be linked to contraceptive pill. Because it's fine to give something to women and girls that causes blood clots. Just not real people (men).

Geamhradh · 31/03/2021 06:39

@IridecentPearl

Germany have only vaccinated 11% of the population, that works out around 1 case per 305 000. Would be interested in seeing the non vac population case numbers.
They're on many of the threads about this in the Coronavirus topic. I can't remember off the top of my head but it's much much higher than those which have happened after AZ. Like the incidences with Pfizer are about the same as AZ but the smear campaign for AZ isn't going to stop any time soon I fear.
Cuntryhouse · 31/03/2021 06:35

Yes but if it does have cases, it won't be able to report on sex.

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