AZ clotting issue affects mainly women

I wasn’t, thanks for clarifying. You included that comment in a reply to me, so it was understandably hard to tell.

[quote timeisnotaline]**@zeev* thanks for the reply, but was this bit aimed at me? The clotting phenomenon is slightly strange; it resembles DIC where thrombocytes crash very low but blood still clots. It does seem to be a real phenomenon, it is now researched by real scientists, who publish in real scientific journals. It is not just us silly Euros playing with politics. hmm*
Nothing I said warrants that snark. I looked at real scientific journal results and asked a sensible question.[/quote]
Were you the one who said "I don't think I would believe a single word about Astra Zenica if it emanated from an EU country"?

If not, it was not aimed at you.

The clotting phenomenon is slightly strange; it resembles DIC where thrombocytes crash very low but blood still clots

This is not exactly how it works

Totally agree that while sex based data is important the only possible way it is significant enough to influence these results is if 80% of the clotting cases were actually trans.

@zeev thanks for the reply, but was this bit aimed at me? The clotting phenomenon is slightly strange; it resembles DIC where thrombocytes crash very low but blood still clots. It does seem to be a real phenomenon, it is now researched by real scientists, who publish in real scientific journals. It is not just us silly Euros playing with politics. hmm
Nothing I said warrants that snark. I looked at real scientific journal results and asked a sensible question.

I'm actually not sure what your point is. The clotting has been absolutely miniscule in proportion to the number of vaccinations given to the point it's more likely to be a coincidence.

I suppose as well as the pill there is also HRT as something that may have an impact ?
I am on HRT. I’ve had my first dose of AZ but not my second.

just to get some very rough numbers.

fullfact.org/health/how-many-nhs-employees-are-there/

There are roughly 1.5 million people employed by the NHS across the UK

By country, the NHS directly employs around

<strong>1.2 million staff in England</strong>
<strong>162,000 staff in Scotland</strong>
<strong>89,000 staff in Wales</strong>
<strong>64,000 staff in Northern Ireland</strong>

But these numbers do not include everyone working in the health sector. They leave out some people, such as temporary staff, GPs, dentists, optometrists, and other staff in the independent sector or private hospitals

pharmafield.co.uk/healthcare/the-role-of-women-in-the-nhs-in-england/

Of the 1,216,719 staff members working in the NHS in September 2018, 935,772 were women (77% of the workforce)

www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adult-social-care-workforce-data/Workforce-intelligence/publications/national-information/The-size-and-structure-of-the-adult-social-care-sector-and-workforce-in-England.aspx

The number of people working in adult social care was estimated at 1.52 million
The number of adult social care jobs in England as at 2019/20 was estimated at 1.65 million – this has increased by around 1% (17,000 jobs) between 2018/19 and 2019/20

www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-workforce-overview

I'm in my 40s and had AZ late week.

Could it be because the UK is only now embarking on large numbers in the under 50s age group? Though I'm assuming many of the healthcare workers vaccinated already were women under 50.

It could well be. Even in Europe it's almost one-in-a-million so even if your young healthcare workers have already been vaccinated with AZ, there just haven't been enough of them for cases to appear.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975786/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

I had the AZ vaccine two weeks ago tomorrow. I am 55.

I've been having pains in my heart region for almost two weeks now ( a new phenomenon for me) - and had to go to the hospital for an ECG today; also post menopausal bleeding a couple of days ago.
I had uterine polyps removed in November last year -which had been causing bleeding and spotting. No issues since, until the other day.

The other possibility is different production facilities. The UK version was made in the UK, the EU version in Belgium.

The clotting phenomenon is slightly strange; it resembles DIC where thrombocytes crash very low but blood still clots. It does seem to be a real phenomenon, it is now researched by real scientists, who publish in real scientific journals. It is not just us silly Euros playing with politics.

Whatever the issue is, it is very very rare and the risk of a clotting issue is most certainly less with the vaccination than with COVID. But it might make sense to direct AZ to different age groups than Pfizer / Moderna.

FWIW my parents are getting the AZ soon and are not worried.

But there are no accurate sex based results from countries that have self ID, so would they be included with results from other countries? Or are they kept separate?

Would any results from Canada be included in world wide stats? Canada records 'gender' by self identification and not 'sex'.

That's what you get when science is used to serve political purposes (to some degree). Mind you, Astra Zeneca haven't always helped their own cause, there have been a number of vaccine announcements in the past 6 months that appeared to have been influenced by company PR.

Despite all their 'issues' with AZ the EU are still mighty upset not have more of it.

The way the cases seem to be so uncorrelated across countries is an indication that the specifics of the vaccine delivery and resultant data collection in the individuals countries are playing a significant role.

My theory is that the hyper focus on finding problems in those vaccinated is finding cases of blood clots that are not being found in the general population which isn't being subject to a similar hyper focus.

I don't think I would believe a single word about Astra Zenica if it emanated from an EU country.

I'm sure I've seen all this debunked that the numbers affected by clotting are so miniscule that it is far more likely that it was just a coincidence than related to the vaccine.

For what it's worth I have a genuine risk of clotting and have received the AZ vaccination.

I don’t understand how this can be a thing if there are no cases in the 10m people vaccinated in the uk, and the clotting cases observed in the us was quite different. (One of the articles linked says this). To me that as a statistical result says it’s not specifically vaccine linked unless there is something different about people living in Europe?