Transman Prinz Chiyo Gomes splits gay community: gay man accused of hate

Miscarriage. as in pregnancy loss. took me a while. the victoria bit threw me.

Chiyo hasn't gone down the gender reassignment route, so isn't covered under the EA 2010 by the protected characteristic of Gender reassignment.

There is no requirement to transition in any way for a transgender person to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. No social transition and certainly not a medical one.

At the moment, it is the hate crime monitored strands, rather than (or as well as) the protected characteristics in the equality act that are the important thing.

Sinclair has been accused of a transphobic hate crime. I think that is based on 'transgender status' rather than the EA definition, but as it only has to be perceived as transphobic it probably doesn't matter what the definition of trans is. I can't imagine it will meet any threshold for crime (what will they consider it against? Grossly offensive under the communication act?) but presumably Sinclair will now have a file with 'hate crime - non crime' or something written on it.

He & other gay men should sue Mr gay England and Mr gay UK for indirect discrimination on sexual orientation - they are making their competitions a hostile environment for homosexuals by saying its wrong to be homosexual & be out & proud about it (using the ordinary meaning of homosexual). But I am not a lawyer.

At the very least it would be funny if they were reported to the police for homophobic hate incidents. But alas my principles of free speech don't allow me to encourage anyone to do it.

manatsu, the stage name is 'Miss Carriage'.

Can someone please explain the Victoria carriage thing to me? What is it referencing? Google didn't help me.

Does nobody ever consider the psychological wellbeing of people putting themselves into the public eye?

Yes - however, that's pretty much the basis for reality TV and populist columnists. It works out spectacularly well for a tiny number of people and adds power to the vortex of catastrophe that consumes others (and the people around them).

Let's hope it does even more so because he cannot be so easily dismissed as just a 'TERF'
They'll have to think of another acronym at the least.

• and that was a very well written and sensitive article. I hope Sheridan is also okay.

Tragic, indeed. I worry that Prinz Chiyo is very vulnerable. Does nobody ever consider the psychological wellbeing of people putting themselves into the public eye?

EA2010:

A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/7

Yes the only reason a transman would think so called "terfs" hate them is because they have been told to believe that, or else been told that anyone who disagrees with gender ideology must hate them. In reality many feminists know that they too would have been a transman had the ideology been so prevalent in their youth.

With regards to the police and potential media involvement with this issue I will be intrigued to see how it pans out. I was really shocked that the Reading terror attack on three gay men last year received so little press interest with regards to the victim's sexuality.

It’s just all very odd. I did wonder how the ‘community’ would react to this person entering the competition.

I also think it is bizarre that Chiyo writes in Tweets that TERFS hate her. I'm not sure Chiyo knows what the acronym means.
Sheridan is a gay man and in no way a TERF (I think he makes it clear too that he doesn't hate her personally just resists what she stands for)
Feminists generally are not bothered about transmen. Sad for them but happy to welcome them to women's spaces if they want to be there. She's picking the wrong people for a fight. This one (for once) we surely can't be blamed for.

Chiyo hasn't gone down the gender reassignment route, so isn't covered under the EA 2010 by the protected characteristic of Gender reassignment.

There is no requirement to transition in any way for a transgender person to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. No social transition and certainly not a medical one. All a person need do to acquire protection under gender reassignment is identify as trans and communicate this in some way or form.

Which Chiyo has done. Therefore Chiyo is protected under the Equality Act 2010.

Now we just need a woman to enter a men's sport competition and win. Unfortunately due to biology that might be a bit harder.

If they did, then that would be an amazing achievement and they'd deserve it. I don't believe there's any sport women can be said to have an unfair advantage in, even if permitted to take testosterone to male levels.

Many sports do not formally have "men's" categories at all. What we perceive as "men's sports" due to the lack of women are often open.

Check out this lovely bit of homophobia from a Chiyo supporter (screenshot).

I don't want to say I am glad this has happened to Sheridan because in fact I don't want this (online abuse, police accusations etc) to happen to anyone but in some way I am glad it's not just women.

Gay men are quite a powerful demographic these days in the media, politics etc. If some prominent gay men were to come out and say they agree with Sheridan that might shake up Stonewall a bit.

-A woman entered a competition designed for a marginalised group of men and won
(Like Pip Bunce and businesswoman of the year)
-A man complained about it and got a load of abuse and visits from the police
(Like Posy and lots of other brave feminists)
-A woman thinks that gay men should agree that they like 'wet ass pussy'
(Like lesbians being forced to say they like 'girl sick')

Now we just need a woman to enter a men's sport competition and win. Unfortunately due to biology that might be a bit harder.

I'd like to think your average copper has their head in their hands when instructed to investigate such "crimes".

When are the majority of LGB folk going to realise being lumped in with T is detrimental to their hard-won rights?

Funny, is the pile on much worse than if this had been a transwoman proclaiming her lesbian status, or did the SuperStraight/gay/lesbian highlight some of these issues?

Also, it's really awful that gay men and lesbian women have to deal with such 'progressive' homophobia under the guise of 'trans inclusion'. A few years ago I would never have believed it was possible and that as a society we had (mostly) come to respect and accept same-sex attraction.

I feel deeply sorry for Primx Chico who has clearly suffered an immense amount of trauma.

But gay men cannot be told to accept vaginas. I don't understand how people are opposed to gay conversion therapy (as they bloody well should be) but think encouraging men to accept female bodies as gay male partners isn't horrifically homophobic?

The leader of Mr Gay England said as PC was living his life as gay man, he was therefore a gay man. What does it mean to live as a gay man? You just... say you're one?