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Transman Prinz Chiyo Gomes splits gay community: gay man accused of hate

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Shedbuilder · 30/03/2021 10:11

Prinz Chiyo is a transman who entered (and I'm told won, but can't confirm) the Mr Gay England competition last year:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53936529

Chiyo has talked publicly about Chiyo's experience of sexual abuse from an early ago. Chiyo is also an icon among young girls who want to escape the burden of femininity and is celebrated on BBC's Newsbeat.

A gay man who tweets as Sheridan Sinclair recently wrote an article about Chiyo and why he objected to a someone who talks openly about their vagina and the fact they menstruate qualifying to compete in Mr Gay England. This has set off a Twitterstorm. Sheridan Sinclair has been forced to close his Twitter account and take down his article.

twitter.com/mrgayengland/status/1376101627959074821

Before he was shut down, Sheridan Sinclair pointed out that many gay men have spent large parts of their lives being told there's something wrong with them, that they should learn to love 'pussy', and that having Chiyo compete in Mr Gay England is homophobic.

Sheridan Sinclair has been reported to the police for hate crime and is expecting a visit from the rozzers this morning. Fair Cop, I hope he's been in touch with you.

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WarriorN · 30/03/2021 13:41

Thanks for the share of the article, it's really well written.

I'd seen something of this on twitter but not understood the details.

Chiyo has clearly suffered a lot of trauma.

It's worrying that so many young women are following them.

I can't see many in the gay community being happy about this. Exactly what lesbians have been dealing with for years.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 30/03/2021 13:38

It's an interesting one whether organisers of TV shows or competitions or 'the media' have any responsibility to people who are clearly vulnerable and damaged who are choosing to put themselves out into the media limelight like this.

On the one hand I think the view has traditionally been that grown adults should know what the consequences might be and by seeking out publicity they accept that but with the reality TV show suicides that did seem to shift a bit and now they have advisers and media coaching and stuff.

I feel desperately sorry for Chiyo in many ways and I worry that they are ill equipped mentally to cope with this but in the end they have actively sought out this publicity and attention. It's hard to protect an adult from their own choices. I wonder if one day they will regret the whole thing as Keira Bell did.

DaisiesandButtercups · 30/03/2021 13:33

@kesstrel

Chiyo posted on Instagram that they have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. Male of that what you will.

Society has now handed a huge amount of power to individuals with cluster B personality disorders, a group that is clinically known for manipulative behaviours. The damaging consequences to ordinary people who happen to come within their radar can be enormous. And letting them determine or influence policy is sheer madness.

This
SunsetBeetch · 30/03/2021 13:28

[quote SpaceBatAngelDragon]Not forgetting drag queen "Anna Bortion" and "Malestia Child". But you lot simply have no sense of humour according to Pride Hmm :

www.pride.com/comedy/2019/7/19/18-funniest-drag-queen-names#media-gallery-media-7[/quote]
Jesus.

kesstrel · 30/03/2021 13:16

Chiyo posted on Instagram that they have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. Male of that what you will.

Society has now handed a huge amount of power to individuals with cluster B personality disorders, a group that is clinically known for manipulative behaviours. The damaging consequences to ordinary people who happen to come within their radar can be enormous. And letting them determine or influence policy is sheer madness.

DaisiesandButtercups · 30/03/2021 13:09

Sexual orientation is innate and there is nothing we can do to change it. If as a heterosexual woman you have suffered brutally at the hands of heterosexual men since childhood I can well imagine wanting to avoid heterosexual men, but the innate orientation remains, perhaps homosexual men feel safer for some women who have been so traumatised?

Having suffered so much anyone would need help, time, space and peace to find whatever healing is possible. I agree with OP about public self destructive/self harm behaviour being enabled. This is a serious problem with gender ideology- everything else gets missed and/or ignored, all the other traumas and mental health needs are untreated and the consequences of that for individuals can be further devastation.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/03/2021 12:56

I wouldn't be talking to the police or co-operating with them in any way unless they arrested me (for what?) and even then it would be name, address and silence.

SpaceBatAngelDragon · 30/03/2021 12:54

What will the police investigation be based on exactly?

SpaceBatAngelDragon · 30/03/2021 12:53

Not forgetting drag queen "Anna Bortion" and "Malestia Child". But you lot simply have no sense of humour according to Pride Hmm :

www.pride.com/comedy/2019/7/19/18-funniest-drag-queen-names#media-gallery-media-7

yourhairiswinterfire · 30/03/2021 12:50

Can Sheridan report them for a homophobic hate crime?

It'd be nice to see someone stand up to this homophobic bullying coming from the 'community', but I get that this is really distressing for him (and his husband, it seems) so he may not want to.

I'm so sad and angry for him.

VampireTheBuffetSlayer · 30/03/2021 12:47

@EsmaCannonball

So a gay man faces a police investigation over a statement of fact. MRA entryists really have found that way of making feminism and homosexual rights campaigning illegal, haven't they?
It's all sunlight though.
MazekeenSmith · 30/03/2021 12:42

Chiyo posted on Instagram that they have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. Male of that what you will.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/03/2021 12:42

What would happen if he didn't have a chat with the police. Would they have to arrest him? Is he under any obligation to speak with them at all.

manatsu · 30/03/2021 12:41

Oh. Jesus. There's parodying stereotypical womenhood and then there's completely mocking something seriously painful and traumatic that only women can experience. How cruel.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/03/2021 12:41

Whit? Bleugh.

SunsetBeetch · 30/03/2021 12:34

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I don’t get the ‘Cheryl hole’ one but some names are bloody awful.
It's what some men call Vaginas. Or even women, i.e. you're just a hole to them.
EsmaCannonball · 30/03/2021 12:32

So a gay man faces a police investigation over a statement of fact. MRA entryists really have found that way of making feminism and homosexual rights campaigning illegal, haven't they?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/03/2021 12:31

I don’t get the ‘Cheryl hole’ one but some names are bloody awful.

SunsetBeetch · 30/03/2021 12:27

@VampireTheBuffetSlayer

Just had a look at the Twitter link... one of the comments is from a drag queen called Miss Carriage.... Miss Victoria Carriage....

It's fucking horrible isn't it? And yet so many female friends, straight and lesbian, love drag and think I'm being stuck up by finding it misogynistic.

A young woman on twitter once called me a terf for saying the Drag name "Cheryl Hole" was misogynistic. I despair, I really do.
Thelnebriati · 30/03/2021 12:21

If Sheridan Sinclair has been reported to the police, then homophobia is now State sanctioned.

VampireTheBuffetSlayer · 30/03/2021 12:15

Just had a look at the Twitter link... one of the comments is from a drag queen called Miss Carriage.... Miss Victoria Carriage....

It's fucking horrible isn't it? And yet so many female friends, straight and lesbian, love drag and think I'm being stuck up by finding it misogynistic.

NecessaryScene1 · 30/03/2021 12:14

Someone from another source has told me that Sheridan's Twitter account was shut down and he's been banned

No, he deleted the Substack himself, and deactivated the Twitter, partly out of concern for impact on his husband. He posted a bit about it on Twitter when he briefly reactivated it Sunday night.

That was a heartbreaking thread.

SunsetBeetch · 30/03/2021 12:13

They've since slightly changed how it appears on their twitter account after (rightly) getting shit for it. Of course the women who objected are nasty terfs.

Annasgirl · 30/03/2021 12:13

@Beowulfa

I'd like to think your average copper has their head in their hands when instructed to investigate such "crimes".

When are the majority of LGB folk going to realise being lumped in with T is detrimental to their hard-won rights?

This is the penny that has to drop sooner or later. I for one would be screaming if I was LGB and had to be part of the T agenda just because of my sexuality.

But of course, the L, the G and the B have been silenced, like women, to further the T.

SunsetBeetch · 30/03/2021 12:10

@manatsu

Can someone please explain the Victoria carriage thing to me? What is it referencing? Google didn't help me.
Drag Queen's stage name is "Miss Carriage".
Transman Prinz Chiyo Gomes splits gay community: gay man accused of hate