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Foucault

64 replies

lionheart · 28/03/2021 23:04

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-philosopher-michel-foucault-abused-boys-in-tunisia-6t5sj7jvw

And a great response from Allison Bailey.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1262487938073493512.html

OP posts:
boatyardblues · 29/03/2021 09:53

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

"They were eight, nine, ten years old, he was throwing money at them and would say ‘let’s meet at 10pm at the usual place’.” This, it turned out, was the local cemetery: “He would make love there on the gravestones with young boys. The question of consent wasn’t even raised.”

Make love? Make LOVE? What a new and novel way to describe child abuse.

I read the article last night. Readers are picking up on that phrase 🤮 in the comments.
persistentwoman · 29/03/2021 09:46

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DaisiesandButtercups · 29/03/2021 09:44

Thanks NecessaryScene1.

I fear that as a species we don’t learn or progress in our behaviour towards one another. Sad
We keep on failing to protect our children and we keep on celebrating abusers.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 29/03/2021 09:42

"They were eight, nine, ten years old, he was throwing money at them and would say ‘let’s meet at 10pm at the usual place’.” This, it turned out, was the local cemetery: “He would make love there on the gravestones with young boys. The question of consent wasn’t even raised.”

Make love? Make LOVE? What a new and novel way to describe child abuse.

CousinKrispy · 29/03/2021 09:38

Allison Bailey is amazing.

NecessaryScene1 · 29/03/2021 09:31

Archive version

DaisiesandButtercups · 29/03/2021 09:29

Can anyone post a share token for the article?

Thanks for the thread OP. It is really disturbing, but we need to know these things.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/03/2021 09:29

Ginsberg was literally a card-carrying member of NAMBLA ostensibly as a defender of free speech:

www.nambla.org/rubbing_out_allen_ginsberg.html

Less controversial link mentioning Ginsberg that made me very sad about a number of novelists: listverse.com/2018/05/18/10-authors-you-read-in-school-who-were-secretly-terrible-people/

quixote9 · 29/03/2021 08:14

Ewww.

Whenever I've read about his ideas I've always had the feeling of wanting something to rinse off all the dense self-important prose. It seems like some kind of mental masturbation.

Now I see why.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/03/2021 00:33

Thanks for the links OP.

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 29/03/2021 00:06

Plain sight.

Quoting a recent article in the critic about a 1978 interview with Foucault:

^There he argued that it was “quite unacceptable” and an “abuse” to assume “that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent” to sex with an adult. (Note that Foucault takes it for granted that the child will be a boy.)
It is a matter of public record...that Foucault signed a petition to the Assemblée Nationale in 1977 calling for the decriminalisation of all “consensual” sexual relations between adults and children^

From The Times article:

"They were eight, nine, ten years old, he was throwing money at them and would say ‘let’s meet at 10pm at the usual place’.” This, it turned out, was the local cemetery: “He would make love there on the gravestones with young boys. The question of consent wasn’t even raised.”

en0la · 28/03/2021 23:45

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest having been studying him recently Angry

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2021 23:34

Be clear headed, rational & compassionate. If you are, you will understand that the only sexual liberation & autonomy that children need is to be left to grow into young adulthood unmolested.

Hear, hear, Allison.

Why is there not more written on the very unsavoury aspects of 'queer' theory?

Wandawomble · 28/03/2021 23:21

“What chilled me to the bone & does to this day, was how many of the people who I respected & admired brought into this bull about peadophilia (none of the names mentioned in this thread save for PC). A whole language sprung up, seemingly overnight: it was a rights issue...”

How relevant and we see it all around us now.

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