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Alba

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howard97A · 28/03/2021 12:26

"Alba … appears to be a home for those who fear that gender self-identification for trans people poses a threat to women's rights."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56555096

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MissBarbary · 29/03/2021 11:07

@Barracker

'Aligning with' 'allying with' 'sharing a platform with' All such nonsense.

How often do we see the people using these phrases apply them equally to the alternative party which 'aligns with' rapists in women's prisons, or 'allies with' criminalising women for speaking about sex?

I don't vote to demonstrate who my best friends are. With my vote I'm not declaring to the world who I'm inviting to my birthday party or whose hair I want to plait and who we've all decided smells stinky. My vote doesn't say, I defend all politicians in this party as the goodies. I may despise the actions of members of the party I vote for just as I despise the actions of the opposition. My choice isn't between good and evil.
I'm not allies with whomever is on the ballot paper and I'm not endorsing every member of a party with my cross.

People vote for whichever party will cause least damage, and most good.
For some, that decision involves an acceptance of women's rights being utterly dissolved, because they prioritise whatever else matters more to them.
For others, solidifying the legal recognition of our sex is the foundation of all our rights, and once that is established safely we will have the luxury of deciding which party has the purest candidates.
If you can be criminalised for even asking to be recognised, let alone asking for your rights, the game is over and you've voted yourself out of existence.

Leaders can be dethroned. Bad actors can be kicked out.
Principles matter. Laws matter. Protections matter and freedom matters.

Such fine words- still can't get away from the fact the leader of this party is Alex Salmond.
Justhadathought · 29/03/2021 10:40

Alba was our favourite baby name for a girl due in august

Alba is Italian for 'dawn'.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 29/03/2021 10:27

A political party supporting women's rights led by the highly regarded feminists Tommy Sheridan and Alex Salmond?

Actually funny.

Barracker · 29/03/2021 10:25

'Aligning with' 'allying with' 'sharing a platform with'
All such nonsense.

How often do we see the people using these phrases apply them equally to the alternative party which 'aligns with' rapists in women's prisons, or 'allies with' criminalising women for speaking about sex?

I don't vote to demonstrate who my best friends are. With my vote I'm not declaring to the world who I'm inviting to my birthday party or whose hair I want to plait and who we've all decided smells stinky. My vote doesn't say, I defend all politicians in this party as the goodies. I may despise the actions of members of the party I vote for just as I despise the actions of the opposition. My choice isn't between good and evil.
I'm not allies with whomever is on the ballot paper and I'm not endorsing every member of a party with my cross.

People vote for whichever party will cause least damage, and most good.
For some, that decision involves an acceptance of women's rights being utterly dissolved, because they prioritise whatever else matters more to them.
For others, solidifying the legal recognition of our sex is the foundation of all our rights, and once that is established safely we will have the luxury of deciding which party has the purest candidates.
If you can be criminalised for even asking to be recognised, let alone asking for your rights, the game is over and you've voted yourself out of existence.

Leaders can be dethroned. Bad actors can be kicked out.
Principles matter. Laws matter. Protections matter and freedom matters.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2021 10:12

Women's rights being used as a political football. This is going to be a messy election

Tibtom · 29/03/2021 10:09

Remember which way all these ex snp have been voting up to now on this issue.

Igneococcus · 29/03/2021 07:36

Times article about Alba setting their sights on women:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e614e7ec-900d-11eb-930d-e9e6e3751f8f?shareToken=27c5464bd8c7a2d59ab959c788cce128

They are talking about "gender proofing" their policies, not "sex" proofing them though.

MissBarbary · 28/03/2021 17:40

Tommy Sheridan- what a completely vile person.

Tibtom · 28/03/2021 17:21

@CuthbertDibbleandGrubb

There is a regional list system. So if you are in one of the regions where Alex Salmond is not on your list, you can vote for Alba without being in danger of him being back in the Scottish Parliament.
You could choose Tommy Sheridan instead!
CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 28/03/2021 17:00

There is a regional list system. So if you are in one of the regions where Alex Salmond is not on your list, you can vote for Alba without being in danger of him being back in the Scottish Parliament.

MissBarbary · 28/03/2021 16:54

@howard97A

I misunderstood your first post, Miss Barbary,. I thought you were simply suggesting that GC voters would not vote for a pro-GC Alba if they doubted the strength of Salmond’s personal commitment to supporting women’s rights and opposing self-ID.

I think that many GC Scots- even sceptical ones - might feel that voting for a separatist Alba might be a better option than voting for a woke, transactivist SNP or not voting at all.

I think you are hugely over- estimating how much the voters and Salmond care about being "gender- critical"

If they vote for the Ecksit party the driving force is "freedom".

howard97A · 28/03/2021 16:44

I misunderstood your first post, Miss Barbary,. I thought you were simply suggesting that GC voters would not vote for a pro-GC Alba if they doubted the strength of Salmond’s personal commitment to supporting women’s rights and opposing self-ID.

I think that many GC Scots- even sceptical ones - might feel that voting for a separatist Alba might be a better option than voting for a woke, transactivist SNP or not voting at all.

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Babdoc · 28/03/2021 16:38

A vote for Alba is a vote to tear the UK apart and risk Scotland becoming a bankrupt woke banana republic. Where the SNP would still be the majority party, and would have carte blanche to destroy women’s rights. Alba would never get a majority themselves.
I will be voting Conservative, to keep Scotland in the UK and to oppose the attack on free speech (Hate Crime bill) and women’s rights (self ID being pushed through under the SNP).

ImpatiensI · 28/03/2021 16:28

I'm not in Scotland so wouldn't be able to vote for Alba anyway. I'd take heart from any party highlighting a move away from the toxic trans activist agenda.

Tibtom · 28/03/2021 16:16

I think independence would be a disaster so I won't vote Alba anyway.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/03/2021 16:09

@Tamingofthehamster

It all feels very trump-like. Vote for the sleazy ma that may protect women’s rights or vote the less sleazy option that will throw them away.
This^
MissBarbary · 28/03/2021 16:04

@GintyMcGinty

I've said it several times on this board- the proclaimed feminist Joanna Cherry supports Salmond. She was calling for his reinstatement the minute the trial was over.

Sorry but so what?

I was responding to your post- how can a feminist vote for a party headed by Salmond?

I've given you an example of a feminist who supports Salmond. Whether she'll jump ship to his party isn't known but she claims to be a feminist yet supports him.

EachDubh · 28/03/2021 16:03

No one would argue that Joanna Cherry doesn't stand for womens' rights. I am keen to see what her next moves are. I havr a lot of faith in Joanna.

GintyMcGinty · 28/03/2021 15:53

I've said it several times on this board- the proclaimed feminist Joanna Cherry supports Salmond. She was calling for his reinstatement the minute the trial was over.

Sorry but so what?

BlackForestCake · 28/03/2021 15:51

The SNP Women's Convenor, Caroline McAllister, has defected to Alba.

MissBarbary · 28/03/2021 15:40

@GintyMcGinty

I don't know how anyone can call themselves a feminist and vote for the party of Alex Salmond and Neale Hanvey.
I've said it several times on this board- the proclaimed feminist Joanna Cherry supports Salmond. She was calling for his reinstatement the minute the trial was over.
Tamingofthehamster · 28/03/2021 15:40

It all feels very trump-like. Vote for the sleazy ma that may protect women’s rights or vote the less sleazy option that will throw them away.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2021 15:37

All of this affected by our god-awful Dehondt (?) system. which seems to encourage you to vote for whomever you don't want to win.

DisgustedofManchester · 28/03/2021 15:35

Salmond appologised to one woman to stop her pressing charges I believe. If you think that trans women are more of a threat than creepy men politicians then you should check out the news on politicians and sexual harassment and assaults vs trans women. I know who'd I feel safer with.

GintyMcGinty · 28/03/2021 15:35

I don't know how anyone can call themselves a feminist and vote for the party of Alex Salmond and Neale Hanvey.

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