Suicide rate of those who have undergone reassignment

"The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more in line with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress."

"What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means."

Transition does help though, as you can see from multiple studies:

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

Back to the subject of the thread - that suicide figure makes me tremendously sad.

They are trans because their gender identity doesn't match the sex they were assigned at birth.

Sex is not assigned at birth, it is merely observed. Often it can be observed in utero.

"For a start, not all trans women feel the need to have surgery,"

So what makes them trans then?

Your arrogance and ignorance is disturbing.

You are confusing being trans with having body integrity identity disorder BIID. They are completely different. For a start, not all trans women feel the need to have surgery, secondly, those who do, don't want "penis amputation", they want a reconfiguration of their genital tissues into a more typically female arrangement.

You could ask a psychologist to confirm that, but as you only believe psychologists when they tell you something you already agree with, I guess that won't work.

Shizuku, you are aware that psychiatrists at one point collectively thought it was a good idea to perform lobotomies? Scientists do, in reality, get things wrong sometimes. I trust the scientific process overall but there's 'what American psychologists say' (at this point in time) and there's reality.

Wanting to cut a healthy body part off is not healthy or normal.

"I hope you are aware that gender dysphoria has been listed in the DSM since 1980."

You are confusing being trans with having gender dysphoria.

I imagine for many a sex change is seen as the solution to all of their problems and so when it isn’t they can’t handle it. These are often the most vulnerable people in society - We need to start treating gender dysphoria as part of an overall MH condition rather than just treat it with hormones and surgery. That should be the very last part!

It is impossible to consider trans as a single entity.

It's an umbrella and each component has its own distinct presentation, characteristics and demands. Often these components are in conflict.

Here's your sentence:

"Gender doesn't cause distress for trans people"

Here's what the psychologists actually say:

"Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling"

Contrast and compare. Take your time. Think hard about the word "many".

One minute it's "We need to affirm the identity of trans people and not mis-gender them ever or they'll all run off the nearest cliff" next it's "Gender doesn't cause distress for trans people"

So is gender causing deep distress or not?

Don't you think it's arrogant to dismiss the findings of the people who actually define psychological disorders? I mean go ahead by all means, but it's quite a claim really isn't it, that all the scientists are wrong?

It's not an "opinion", it's what the people who actually define psychological disorders say. If you don't like it, you'll have to take it up with them.

Ultimately, psychologist’s takes on various disorders are opinions, theories. Look at Freudian theory, while some of it still is used, lots has been discredited and understood to be a reflection of the oppression of women typical of his time.

Now I’m happy to be fact checked on this, but wasn’t it the American Psychological Association who supported the torture of inmates at Guantanamo Bay? Extreme example but @Shizuku, you are talking as if a position can’t be critiqued because it’s made by psychologists. And we have someone telling us they have experienced their desire to change sex as a disorder. I agree it is arrogant to invalidate them.

Although I am interested in your quote from the person who feels the Swedish study was misused, haven’t read it all but that is interesting to consider.

The point is "being trans" is such a hugely broad concept now, that anyone at anytime can claim themselves to be trans or in fact claim to be a member of the opposite sex, without having undergone any physical changes whatsoever.

We're simply all expected to use new preferred pronouns with no questions asked.

Gender dysphoria is a ridiculous diagnosis and well worth looking up the diagnostic criteria. It's so ridiculous everyone could claim to have it.

Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling

Why is there always (irresponsible) talk of suicide then? We're told if we don't give children puberty blockers, they'll likely commit suicide. If we don't use someone's preferred pronouns, they'll likely commit suicide, etc.

Is feeling suicidal not a major sign of deep distress?