Suicide rate of those who have undergone reassignment

Males-only is not mentioned in the study: "All 324 sex-reassigned persons (191 male-to-females, 133 female-to-males) in Sweden, 1973–2003." seems to be whom they were investigating.

If "the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers." as the Times apparently said, that is very worrying. Presumably "comparable peers" would mean "people who had not undergone sex-reassignment but were otherwise similar as regards age, sex-at-birth and other factors".

I would suggest that given the data which is increasingly coming to light such as this type of survey and others such reports it is better to do nothing as the mistakes make through medical intervention are not easily if ever possible to reverse.

Bluelipstick

Until we have real and very serious research which is neutral and removes all political influence, we are stuck with a situation that suits no one. No one knows how to find the best route and I would bet one route is not the answer. We need something before too many mistakes are made, in all directions.

Thank you for sharing your perspective Blue.

I know it's "first do no harm" but it should be "first tell the unvarnished truth"

And thats the thing isn’t it

We do the best we can for our children but we need the truth to do it

Surgery and hormones is and should only ever be a treatment of last resort. By definition this cannot apply to minors.

I have had the surgery but I also had it knowing that I exhausted all other avenues and for that I am grateful.

Far too many downplay the risks of medication and the conseuqnces of surgery and portray it as some magical solution. It is far from it.

oh lord Campervan that poor woman :(

"I did everything right"

I dont know how they begin to come to terms with this.

I know it's "first do no harm" but it should be "first tell the unvarnished truth"

But @Gerla that would mean returning to yesteryear's treatment of trans people!

Nothing was ever better 'ago!'

Counselling and non-invasive treatment should be the norm, the fact that surgical/ drugs are now available does not mean that they are the best course of action.
This. It is so backwards that many people calling for better access to trans healthcare seem to want experimental procedures on minors. In a few years' time we are going to look back and be amazed at how many people in positions of authority didn't question this.

How does any parent come to terms with having supported a child to do that to themselves.

How does the child/adult come to terms with the feelings of failure, despondency, frustration?

Just ONE story like that should have stopped ALL such pathways. ALL OF THEM!

Yet we, us nasty child killing TERFs, are the ones who are cruel and unthinking!

Fuck that for a game of soldiers!

Just tragic

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

If that's their bottom line then it seems only right that someone somewhere stops all treatment pathways and asks - what are you dong prior to any treatment and how are you supporting your patents afertwards.

If the answer is nothing much then the obvious conclusion is that that particualr pathway is deply and dangerously flawed!

Unfortunately with that woman's child there won't be acknowledgement that this was /is not the right route, instead it will fuel calls for access to free and immediate health care Inc GRS both in the UK and US.

I don't think the statistic is surprising but it is tragic. I believe that there are many issues that that people who go down this route may have and that really this issue is not the fundamental issue they have. Counselling and non-invasive treatment should be the norm, the fact that surgical/ drugs are now available does not mean that they are the best course of action. Thinking that changing will get rid of problems is clearly a naive approach

The actual doctors and scientists who define psychological disorders say you're wrong. This is from the American Psychological Association: The actual doctors who did both of my friends surgeries (sorry, that's 2 friends, up to phalloplasty but not neo vagina, respectively) said exactly what @BlueLipstickRocks said.

And again, you supply a link, text that gainsay's your position. You said You are confusing being trans with having gender dysphoria. then added something about GIID

Then linked and posted:

The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more in line with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria.

Which bit of that are you espousing? Or, what the hell were you trying to say?

And you know that bit about arrogance? You seem to be telling a transperson what they can and cannot believe as a trans person

Be ye pot or kettle, beware the cap that fits!

So the 'psychological distress' we are constantly told about DOESN'T exist then? (ergo it it not a psychological problem?).
This is coming from people who want our very words altered so that they are not 'triggered' by breasts, sanitary products, womens services and health providers etc? The word 'mother' is apparently triggering to some? Presumably that is because of mental distress . You can't have it both ways.
And you can't have it both ways on the science either. You say we've got to respect the scientists who came up with that definition you quoted, and yet the trans community routinely undermines scientists who confirm that sex is binary, and unchangeable. Which is it? Are the scientists wrong or right? Or just wrong on the bits you don't want to believe?

@shizuku Are you ever going to go back to the many other threads you have popped up on, look at the responses you got and answer the questions people have asked you? Or are not actually going to engage with anything anybody says that doesn't fit your very narrow view of the world?

How is it kind to lie to somebody and promise them something they cannot have?

That's awful Campervan predictable, but still tragic. As a parent I jus feel so sorry for these children and their families who now have to navigate a life compromised because the people who were supposed to consider their best interests didn't.

Saw this on Facebook this morning. This poor mum and poor child have been lied to and duped IMO by those who should "first do no harm". So sad.

"Someone needs to be explaining things to you."

Go on then.

"
I know - sick of explaining that one to people. But then, if you think gender identity is the same as gender non-conformity, maybe I need to explain it again."

Rest assured I don't need you to explain anything. Someone needs to be explaining things to you.

I know - sick of explaining that one to people. But then, if you think gender identity is the same as gender non-conformity, maybe I need to explain it again.

"By the way sex is not "assigned" so let's drop that nonsense."

That's just the word we use for the announcement the midwife makes. You can use a different word if you like - I don't mind.

"They are trans because their gender identity doesn't match the sex they were assigned at birth. Surprised that could be new information to a trans person, but there you go."

Gender non conformity is not trans.

By the way sex is not "assigned" so let's drop that nonsense.