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Are there any anti-abortion groups that are pro-trans?

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Jsmith71596 · 27/03/2021 12:31

One of the discussions I see a lot is that the trans movement conflicts with women's rights and one of the areas I am interested in learning more about is bodily autonomy and the right to abortion access. I am curious if there are any examples of prominent anti-abortion groups or public figures coming out in support of trans rights?

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Hibari · 27/03/2021 17:11

Have you tried Google? Feminists don't tend to be anti abortion.

Conversely, people obsessed with controlling other people's bodies, don't tend to be pro-trans.

Barracker · 27/03/2021 17:10

You'll find that men can be quite varied and creative in exactly which of women's rights offend them, and which they don't care enough about to oppose.

Thus, you'll get religious conservatives who espouse sexist roles, believe women should know their place, oppose abortion rights, but find nonconforming children so offensive that they prefer them to transition rather than be a butch lesbian girl or an effeminate gay boy. Their view of women is that we are explicitly a subordinate role.

And then at the other end of the spectrum, are extreme 'liberals' who are disinterested in removing abortion rights, because it affords them a tremendous opportunity to commandeer dialogue about female biology and insist that there is no such thing as a female body or female reproductive rights, or women's healthcare. Their agenda is to negate the existence of the female sex class, deny female bodily needs, and make it impossible for us to discuss ourselves in a way that distinguishes us from them.

They're both simply two sides of the same misogynistic coin.

The first acknowledges our sex's bodily existence so they can then shackle us to their chosen limitations. And they are so wedded to those limitations and conformity that they'll sometimes make an exception for the nonconforming child or adult in order to shunt them into conforming to the opposite set of rules. But the rules must stand.

The second prefers to control our ability to talk about ourselves, distinguish ourselves from them, or exclude them in any way. They'll allow us bodily autonomy (for now) so long as we accept their price, which is that our bodies, lives and sex become nameless, and all our uniquely female needs are rebranded as universal human needs.

Of course, once the second achieve the complete dismantling of our ability to discuss our sex, they would hypothetically be free to go on to then rescind our bodily freedoms like abortion rights, on account of it no longer being a particular legally protected need of a particular sex, but instead a universal human state that men also have a say in.

And there won't be much we can do at that point if the biological sex class formerly known as women has suddenly disappeared from all our laws, and been replaced with self identified'women' who can and do speak for us and against our interests, because they are not in fact our sex at all.

Jsmith71596 · 27/03/2021 16:45

Perhaps I phrased it poorly or my line of reasoning is flawed. I am firmly pro-choice and pro bodily autonomy. The vast, vast majority of anti-abortion groups are anti-feminist and I did not intend to suggest otherwise.

I have seen plenty of discussion about how the current trans moment is or isn't harmful to women's rights and feminism in general. If some of the trans movement can be viewed as eroding or endangering women's rights, I was wondering if there was any overlap with anti-abortion groups as an example of this?

As I said, my entire line of reasoning here could be fundamentally flawed. Basically, if both stances are anti-feminist, are there examples of people or groups who take both?

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CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 27/03/2021 15:41

Would an anti-abortion group actually have an opinion on any other matter? I'd expect them not to.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 27/03/2021 15:36

Have you tried Google? Feminists don't tend to be anti abortion.

334bu · 27/03/2021 15:21

Welcome to Mumsnet. I think you will find that the women of Mumsnet are all for bodily autonomy for women and also very much for people's human rights being respected.

MichelleofzeResistance · 27/03/2021 15:09

I'm confused by the 'pro trans' bit - unless you mean that women who are fighting desperately to retain needed rights for women are being 'anti trans' by not just surrendering their rights quietly?

I'd think you would find most women focused on women's rights to be passionate about bodily autonomy for women, their right to choose, and aware of and concerned by the immense complexities and dark parts of women's biological and life experiences with pregnancies and why they may have many reasons to consider ending one. Often with the best interests of the child in mind.

Women caring about women being a bit of a theme here.

Jsmith71596 · 27/03/2021 14:50

I've never paid much attention to their stance on stuff like this before so I'll have to go take a look, thank you.

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elgreco · 27/03/2021 13:48

Kanye West , he is also a big fan of surrogacy.