It is unacceptable for me to feel that I don’t like men?

Not RTFT just the OP.

Thing is lots of men are open about not liking/ having no respect for/ hating women and that's seen as pretty normal TBH.

In fact in plenty of countries men's feelings about women are encoded in law or custom.

I assume on FWR no one needs a list I'm sure we can all think of examples!

So from that perspective, generally thinking men are rubbish, while behaving to them normally, and also having a husband who's not hated etc feels like a pretty minor thing in comparison.

When men want to oppress or harm women they can do it often at a personal, local or national level (depending on who they are).

When they tell us we're less likely to be assaulted by strangers than killed by a partner in our own homes, I think, good job I live alone then. One less thing to worry about.

I don't like men as a class/group or as a concept i.e. masculinity. I perceive men as just something of an irrelevance to me, which I guess is connected to me being lesbian.

This kind of apathy is also mixed with general distrust/wariness of men due to experiences of male violence. Plus my contempt for the tendency to sexualise and/or exercise dominance over women that I perceive all men, to various degrees, are afflicted with. I see it in even the wokest of my friend's male partners, who would identify themselves as feminist allies and are otherwise pretty decent. An example that comes to mind is the time when I was chatting with a friend's husband who's like that and he asked, feigning simple curiosity, whether "scissoring really was all that popular with lesbians?"

This is not to say I don't like any individual men at all. I have male family members I love and some men I like as friends or colleagues (admittedly not many and less than when I was younger, but partly that has to do with my area of work.) I guess hatred of a particular man simply because he is male is what people think of as "misandry". I know I don't go around hating on every man I meet because of his sex! That to me would be prejudiced and ethically questionable.

As an aside, I believe misogyny is a qualitatively different phenomenon that means more than just woman-hating. @LaurieFairyCake I think your spot on in your observation that men who don't seem to like women hang around them trying to dominate and distress. It ties into feminist philosopher Kate Manne's argument that the logic of misogyny is not just about "hate" and rests on wielding power over and punishing women for being female. So yes, hard agree from me that how misogyny manifests is not the same thing as women not sharing a home or life or much of their social time with men for understandable reasons!

It’s not so much men I dislike but rather arrogance and lack of empathy. These traits tend to show up in men more often than in women so I form a prejudice.

When men confound those expectations I tend to idolise them. When women do I feel disappointment.

But at long as you don’t act on your dislike OP you’re not the female equivalent of Elliot Roger.

And due to the fact that feminism, despite its reputation for man-hating, has killed 0 men whilst 2 women a week are killed by men, I’d say misandry isn’t really quite the global epidemic that misogyny is.

Think about every bad thing that's ever happened in the world ever then think about whose fault they were. All men right? YANBU.

I work in quite a male dominated environment and honestly I'm just tired of men. I'm tired of listening to their opinions, I'm tired of being expected to tolerate their arrogance, entitlement and misogyny.

A lot of the time I just find it all tedious. I'm really tired of dealing with their shit tbh, and I've just lost a lot of respect for men in general. I'm fed up of how hard I have to fight to be heard compared to men and I'm fed up of just general low level misogyny.

I was thinking this the other day, a lot of advise to women in the work place is be more like men. Take the thankyous out of your emails etc, but how much better would it be if everyone acted like women in the work place? If I didn't have to cope with men who can hold down a highly skilled job but not wipe their own arse? Or cant regulate their emotions enough to not throw a tantrum at work

I haven't even got started on actual dangerous/violent behaviour or harassment.

The way you feel about people is obviously shaped by your experiences and if most of your experiences of men have been negative or worse then I can see how you would feel like that. Just a quick look around Mumsnet shows you some shocking examples of men's behaviour and attitude. But from my own perspective, I don't feel like that. I'm lucky I suppose, the vast majority of men I know are nice, decent human beings. I've definitely come across bad ones but they're very much the minority.

I know what you mean OP - I posted similar yesterday. The older I get the more I see the misogyny and dislike of women in most men. As long as you are youngish and attractive you are the target of unwanted attention and when you get older and lose your looks are you are a nuisance. I love my dh but even he lets his sexist views come to light occasionally - I'm pretty sure he doesn't think I'm his equal. He'd never say it though.

The only men I love and like 100% are my ds's.

I am intrigued to know where does it go wrong. I teach primary age kids, and here, the boys and girls are equally lovely/pita's.

Yep - puberty.

It's hard to become a fully socialised human being using only the 0.01% of your brain capacity that isn't permanently occupied with sex.

I’m respectful and polite to random men I come into contact with - through work / life admin / at the supermarket etc and I love and respect the men in my life - DF and DP.

But do I like and respect men in general? No.

I used to love the company of men, used to love flirting and low key flirty banter. But now I just don’t care about them. I don’t want to talk to nor care about their opinions on things. I don’t actively tell men I don’t like them as a group, I’m not rude and care about them as “human beings” - as in Id help someone in trouble and not want to see anyone struggle or in need. But as men, nah I don’t want anything to do with them anymore.

I actually thought to myself earlier today that if my partner left me I don’t think I’d want another man in my life. I don’t know how I’d date anyone, I have such distain for them as a collective, it’s hard for me to see past that.
So I probably wouldn’t date.

Perhaps if those men who disliked women stopped dating them we’d have less problems

Yeah I've had that question thrown at me too I said despite there best efforts sadly no but my daughter is a lesbian so there is hope for her to become a man hater

I live alone and feel much safer that way

I'm short and when a big bloke starts talking to me, I get scared.

I've just read a book (a long essay really) called I Hate Men by Pauline Harmange. It pretty much covers why misandry can, un fact, be a positive force. I can't recommend it highly enough. In its original French, a French government minister (or someone working in his department- I can't remember) tried to get it banned (withour having read it - he just didn't like the title). This propelled the book to fame. The translation is excellent.

I was thinking about this recently. As women we live with people who are, generally, bigger than us, stronger than us, quicker to anger than us, and are more violent than us. It is a huge leap of faith for women to trust men, and tbh it's surprising that so many of us manage to do just that.

I was never doe eyed about boys

Growing up with 3 brothers spared me seeing boys as “all that”

They're only any good for shagging really. Warmer than a vibrator. I prefer the company of women, prefer working with women, and most definitely prefer living with women. There are some exceptions of course, but agree with pps - as I've got older (I'd say 40+) my eyes have been more opened to what selfish, entitled, sexist people so very very many men are. In my twenties I was all doe-eyed to most of them, regardless of their behaviour.

I am intrigued to know where does it go wrong. I teach primary age kids, and here, the boys and girls are equally lovely/pita's.

I can go a step up OP
When I was around 10 I was talking to my dad’s friend and he made an observation. He said I was a misanthropist. Not sure how he concluded that and I never thought anything of it
But, I really do dislike people. Not hate
I don’t have many friends, just 2 I consider friends. I avoid talking to people unless they talk to me including msgs and phone calls. I hate public areas, pubs, shops... just too many people (needless to say I’m quite happy in this pandemic)
There have been times I feel bad, especially for my DC as I don’t chat to mums so I don’t do play dates
But ironically I work in healthcare, have done for 18 years. I love looking after people, I connect more with the vulnerable. No idea if it’s linked to anything

I do like some men but they are few and far between, and I wouldnt pick them out for company over other women.
I cant imagine being in the mood to put any effort into finding one to have a relationship with.

I get on fine with most men socially and at work, but they have not impressed me much and the older I get the less inclined I am to excuse their behaviour. My personal relationships were pretty disastrous and I have been single for a long time now.

I feel the same, nine times out of ten I find my interactions with them at best boring or disappointing and at worst abusive.

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