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It is unacceptable for me to feel that I don’t like men?

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OliverBabish · 25/03/2021 13:22

I got asked by my boss if I “hate men” - he’s not my boss anymore thankfully but my honest response is that I don’t like men very much. I’m not being an arse about it either - I’ve married a man, I’m aware there are ‘good men’ or whatever - that is truly how I feel.

Ignorant of me but I didn’t even know misandry was a thing (or that there was a word for it) until really recently.

Experience (and my job) has shown me time and time again that men are far more of a problem in our day to day society than women. I know I’d probably get into loads of trouble at work if I actually voiced that opinion, but generally speaking, is it that unacceptable for me to feel this way? Am I wrong to think like this? It doesn’t affect how I treat men, it’s just how I feel.

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Gurufloof · 26/03/2021 17:05

I actually thought to myself earlier today that if my partner left me I don’t think I’d want another man in my life. I don’t know how I’d date anyone, I have such distain for them as a collective, it’s hard for me to see past that
So I probably wouldn’t date

Many years ago I came to the same conclusion. If this particular relationship ends, I will grow old alone. I've had enough of men and there's scarce few women ive been interested in. Between the pronouncements men make about anything (and apparently I'm expected to respond in a nice manner, you dipshit is, I'm told, not nice) and the violent porn far too many of then watch and want to reenact, and the whole finding a half decent one etc etc, I just can't be bothered. Ever again.
It's not even that I dislike men, I just dont care about them. Indifference rather than hate.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/03/2021 16:39

@NiceGerbil

The point about how so many men interpret things like metoo or a woman saying she's a feminist as 'man hating' has not been addressed.

Nor has the fact that men aren't asked if they hate women very often at all, are they. I wonder why not.

If a man came on and said I dislike all women I'd ask the same. Agree with a pp though that it's more likely to be a manevolent rather than benevolent presentation and perhaps that's why we don't discuss it. The men who will admit to disliking all women probably aren't keeping it inside.
SleepingStandingUp · 26/03/2021 16:36

@Jillly

Well we all know #notallmen are "abusive assaulting arseholes" I hope my son will grow up to not be any of those things. I'm sure there will still be some women who dont like him. We're allowed to dislike people for lesser reasons than them abusing us.
Of course we are, I dislike lots of people. But I don't assume I dislike all of a class of people based on their chromosomes or any other marker except behavioural. And if you aren't emotionally attached to one of those class of people it's of course far easier to indiscriminately dislike them. But when you dislike all X but then have an emotionally connected relationship with three X's it's not unreasonable to ask how that works.
optimistic40 · 26/03/2021 15:49

Nah, I enjoy the company of men. Bad experiences at work etc were generally when I was younger and being bullied by an older woman. Groups of women are generally awful, though I love my female friends one to one.

MissBarbary · 26/03/2021 15:15

@Thelnebriati

Why are people conflating 'I dont like men' with 'I hate my sons'?
If you are referring your question to Theswitch that is a bit of a straw women. She didn't say that.

She made a perfectly valid point with which I agree.

QuentinWinters · 26/03/2021 14:03

Any comment criticism reaction of men as a group...Is taken as evidence of literal simmering rage and hate towards each and every man boy and baby on the planet!
Do you know what, thats given me a bit of a lightbulb. Maybe its DARVO and the men who have a strong reaction do that because that's how they feel about women and they are defensive.
God. Imagine feeling simmering rage towards a whole class of people. It must be miserable.

Jillly · 26/03/2021 14:00

Well we all know #notallmen are "abusive assaulting arseholes"
I hope my son will grow up to not be any of those things.
I'm sure there will still be some women who dont like him.
We're allowed to dislike people for lesser reasons than them abusing us.

NiceGerbil · 26/03/2021 13:47

It's the same as men who do it-

Any comment criticism reaction of men as a group

Is taken as evidence of literal simmering rage and hate towards each and every man boy and baby on the planet!

The fact that men don't get asked this or accused of this even when they do or say really iffy stuff is enlightening.

NiceGerbil · 26/03/2021 13:45

Much like posters on this thread.

In general I don't like men much due to xyz.

You hate your children!

NiceGerbil · 26/03/2021 13:40

The point about how so many men interpret things like metoo or a woman saying she's a feminist as 'man hating' has not been addressed.

Nor has the fact that men aren't asked if they hate women very often at all, are they. I wonder why not.

QuentinWinters · 26/03/2021 13:37

Thats just ridiculous. There are plenty of people who are misanthropes and I bet you don't seek them out to lecture them about not liking people (in general)

SleepingStandingUp · 26/03/2021 13:32

@Thelnebriati

Why are people conflating 'I dont like men' with 'I hate my sons'?
No one said hate, I actually sad o didn't doubt op would have loved son's. But love / like are v different

If you don't like men then unless you're doing "but my children are so wonderful they're basically women on the inside" then how does that not include your adult sons? If you dislike men because collectively they're abusive assaulting arseholes, surely you have to accept much more than most parents that your son's have a high likelihood of being like this too, and how do you then work that alongside my son's are amazing, I like their company but I accept the chances are they'll sexually assault or abuse someone.

For others it's a hate the behaviour not the person but if you don't like men that doesn't stand

MissBarbary · 26/03/2021 13:14

The equivalent would be black people saying they don't like white people, fwiw

If one subscribes to critical race theory and the notion of white guilt.

womanity · 26/03/2021 12:43

I love the dog analogy.

If dogs attacked or intimidated people at the same rate men do, we wouldn’t let them in our homes or on our streets.

And there’d be no ‘not all dogs’ either.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/03/2021 12:25

Wow. I wonder how many men who use, abuse and objectify women are asked if they like (or hate) women.

OliverBabish · 26/03/2021 11:56

@SleepingStandingUp

I'm sure you'd love him Equally but not being liked Equally is just as damaging. I can't imagine looking at my son's and thinking well in all likelihood you'll grow up to be abusive, sexually coercive and oppressing the chances of your sisters, and that's at best. The kids fight over a toy and seeing sexism instead of kids etc.

I'm not sure your and your husband's mutual dislike for men is particularly healthy unless he's being held above his kind and to be better than he ought to be.

Does anyone who dislikes men as a class have son's? How does that work ou

I wouldn’t say it’s a mutual dislike - I’ve never asked him if he dislikes men directly. We are both just acutely aware of the world we live in.

It’s not some weird relationship where I’m constantly deriding men to him and drumming him down or anything like that. I think DH is a wonderful person. I know some men that are good people. But this is how I feel ultimately. It’s a weird thing to admit I suppose, and that’s why I posted because it was a striking realisation to me. There’s no malice though.

I don’t treat anyone differently, I can’t say that enough.

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ArabellaScott · 26/03/2021 11:55

@FixTheBone

Wow. just wow.

If I (or anyone else) said I don't like black people because they statistically commit more crime, we'd be lynched as racists.

Misandry is a thing, and it's just as wrong as misogyny.

The equivalent would be black people saying they don't like white people, fwiw.
QuentinWinters · 26/03/2021 11:50

I have two sons who I love dearly. Am on top of any misogyny. Hopefully they will grow up to be good ones although the amount of pressure on the Internet to hate women and feminism does not help

Theswitch · 26/03/2021 11:41

@TheInebriati I’m not confusing that at all - ‘I don’t like men’ is conflicting when you have three boys who will turn into men.

It’s easy if you have daughters, sorry it is.

It saddens me that there are people out there that won’t like them as a class, purely because they are men! No confusion at all - just a difference of opinion...

Thelnebriati · 26/03/2021 11:36

Why are people conflating 'I dont like men' with 'I hate my sons'?

Theswitch · 26/03/2021 11:36

I have three sons, sorry I can’t say ‘I don’t like men’ and not see them as being included. They will become men, they are gorgeous amazing boys but they will ultimately become men.

So I find it sad that people automatically don’t like them just because they were born with a penis!

Jillly · 26/03/2021 11:34

I dislike most men, I like some of them.
Like I said up thread I find most of my interactions with men at best boring or disappointing and at worst abusive.
Ive got a son, obviously I love him more than anyone else in the world and I hope he will grow up to be a nice likable man.
Hes the age now where we are talking about sex and consent in that context, standing up for whats right, healthy ways of dealing with emotions.
I dont think your own kids count, in the same way im ambivalent about other peoples children, I love my own and like him.

Doona · 26/03/2021 11:26

But even then, you may have SILs and grandsons one day.

Doona · 26/03/2021 11:24

I suppose it's okay as long as you don't have sons! It could limit your life a bit at work though.

Is it mainly the power differential? Maybe try putting yourself in positions where women have the power (e.g. female boss and female majority). Men can be more reasonable in those situations.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/03/2021 11:13

I'm sure you'd love him Equally but not being liked Equally is just as damaging. I can't imagine looking at my son's and thinking well in all likelihood you'll grow up to be abusive, sexually coercive and oppressing the chances of your sisters, and that's at best. The kids fight over a toy and seeing sexism instead of kids etc.

I'm not sure your and your husband's mutual dislike for men is particularly healthy unless he's being held above his kind and to be better than he ought to be.

Does anyone who dislikes men as a class have son's? How does that work ou

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