It is unacceptable for me to feel that I don’t like men?

"For those saying that it's not the same as saying you hate black people"
The main reason its not the same is because not a single woman on this thread has claimed to hate men.
When did 'dont like' turn to hate?
The two things are miles apart.

Also, just to say, as a woman of colour I am very much against CRT and unconscious bias training etc. It might be generational but I have relatives who are worried too, feels like we are being allocated a victim status we didn't ask for.

Which of course applies to feminism. I don't really discuss this sort of thing in real life, but luckily real life seems to be less obsessed with this stuff.

"Unconscious bias" training will do nothing to address my so-called prejudice against men as 1) its not unconscious, I am conscious of it and 2) its rational and based on how men have behaved towards me, not based on stereotypes society tells me about men, which is what unconscious bias training addresses

@OliverBabish I'm assuming your baby is a girl?

I feel fine round men most of the time. But wary and hypervigilant. I don't trust them and I don't like being alone with them. Even being in a lift alone worries me.

I was once rubbed up on by a man at a networking session at a work conference, while I was talking to another man. It was totally audacious, because it was busy and crowded I couldn't even be sure who did it because he came up behind me.

So why when random men are quite prepared to assault women in busy, well lit places are people on here telling me I have to like men and get therapy for my feelings?

I love men and wouldn't want a life without them. I've had periods in my life where I was made miserable by men and women. I love my husband, my father, and all my male friends.

For those saying that it's not the same as saying you hate black people because "no one can police your thoughts", I hope you're ready to stand up and fight against the onslaught of unconscious bias training.

I don’t dislike men, but the privilege and sense of entitlement comes from the physical strength a man naturally has, a man will stuff to another man and he’ll either laugh it off or trivialize it, unlike when it’s a woman. Most women are largely to blame for that entitlement as well.

Does every opinion expressed here have to be helpful in "tackling the issues that are actually affecting women"? Sounds intense.

'Misandry also leads to abuse and arrogance. And this is how it starts'

Can you explain what exactly what abuse, how the arrogance manifests,

And what is meant by this is how it starts'.

How what starts?

I asked the poster who wrote that but I didn't see a reply.

I see that you agree so would be interested in your thoughts on those points.

It reminds me of the way the most snobbish characters in Evelyn Waugh's novels talk about the working-class.

'But I strongly suggest that we be critical when our feelings lead us to prejudice of 50 percent of the population and I would seek therapy to unpick those feelings.

However... I don’t think it’s ok to make statements like this. The same way I don’t think it’s ok to make misogynist statements. Because it falls under the same standards of treating people as individuals in their own rights.'

What's your view on many women being wary of men in certain situations, when they wouldn't be wary if it was a woman?

'Because feminism is meant to achieve equality, not superiority.'

I continue to be baffled at this sort of comment.

All because one woman when asked randomly by a man if she hated men, went and had a think, and thought actually I don't hate anyone but on the whole in general I don't like men very much?

She really does have an awful lot of power :/

My post was in response to Regretsy statement:

“ I just find most of them so boringly predictable and immature now. Like a pp said, under evolved, like cavemen.”

I’m not opposed to people having feelings based on experiences. But I strongly suggest that we be critical when our feelings lead us to prejudice of 50 percent of the population and I would seek therapy to unpick those feelings.

However... I don’t think it’s ok to make statements like this. The same way I don’t think it’s ok to make misogynist statements. Because it falls under the same standards of treating people as individuals in their own rights.

Where to start deepthink?

Why would a man with traumatic experiences leading him to feel that on the whole he doesn't like women, celebrate this?

How is the OP saying on the whole she doesn't like men much, but she knows it's unfair, a celebration?

The man she was talking to expressed a negative view of a group of people. No comments on that?

'No dignified man would want to Allie with a movement that would deem him inferior.'

But women have done and continue to do this in large numbers. What are your thoughts on the mechanism behind that?

And do you genuinely feel that no matter what the treatment at the hands of a group, feeling dislike for them in your head is a really bad thing?

Harry don't be upset please.

There are a fair few posters who have reacted to the incorrect interpretation of the OP that she hates men.

That's not what she said at all and you and I know that.

The posters with the more extreme views are not really interested I don't think in what happened with the OP, if you look there are no responses to the fact the man was way worse.

You were honest and responded to the OP genuinely with your feelings.

On the thread plenty of women have shared their experiences and said that as a result they feel X about men.

Saying your poor son was particularly nasty.

In the end it seems to be a thread that has drawn people who are keen to post about how awful women's thoughts in their heads are etc.

Call it a night and take care. Please don't dwell on those posts. The majority of the thread is not like that.

Because feminism is meant to achieve equality

I completely disagree with this. Men are not so glorious that they become the benchmark of what is possible for women.

I don't think it's fair to say that, any more than it would be fair to say you don't like Germans or similar. People are individuals.

You could say you don't like the patriarchy, that you don't like lad culture, you don't like toxic masculinity. But to meet someone and instantly dislike them because of their sex while knowing nothing about them seems unfair and wrong.

In response to the posts aimed at me - I’m not saying it’s the right way to feel, or that it makes me a better feminist. I don’t think men actually are any better or worse than us. It is just how I feel, based on my experiences. You have no business making assumptions about my husband or my son. But it’s always the way on MN - the same posters waiting to pounce and tear other people down for expressing opinions that differ to their own, wilfully misinterpreting what has been said to make everything black/white, good/bad rather than conplex and nuanced. To me it speaks of a bizarre need to feel morally superior to strangers on the internet, which is really quite sad, and to make them reluctant to contribute honestly to a discussion. Do you ever think about the effect that your nastiness has on other people. Seriously, I don’t think I’m the one with the horrible attitude here.

And in many ways celebrating those views is counter productive to feminism.

Because feminism is meant to achieve equality, not superiority.

No dignified man would want to Allie with a movement that would deem him inferior.

And we DO need them as allies, clearly.

NiceGerbil

Do you think a man would be able to express that in any safe space without being labelled or judged or socially ostracised ??

If a man feels this way I would honestly expect him to go get therapy as opposed to celebrating his views.

I would say same for women.