It is unacceptable for me to feel that I don’t like men?

I'm lucky to have married the most kind, thoughtful and caring man on the planet. However, men have caused me a great deal of trauma over the years. Father and brother both committed suicide. Past relationship the man was sulky and controlling. Other brother overly controlling. I've seen women and children in my own family patiently trying to cope with damaged and destructive men over the years and apart from my DH would be happy to leave them well alone now forever.

The race comparison absolutely does work. It was mentioned multiple times early on in the thread that the statistics just show that men commit more violent crimes and rape. If you're going to use statistics to back up your argument, don't pivot when someone using that exact same reasoning to justify something you don't find so palatable.

Oh, and then don't cry about /muh socioeconomic pwoblems/. That's correlation-based, as is everything else in dogshiit sociology. You can't prove a causal relationship between the two, nor which way that relationship goes. Is it poverty that leads to crime and under-performance, or under-performance that leads to poverty.

No. Most of them think they're God's gift.

I have one or two friends who are with me on this pact

I just read the quote “Heterosexuality in women is proof that sexuality is NOT a choice” in response to the fuckery that’s happening in Australian politics atm. Seems applicable to this conversation... I don’t HATE men... I certainly don’t like them very much atm.

Allthecarrot that would be a fair point if misogyny encoded in religion, law, social norms etc all over the world didn't result in. Well. All the things it does.

I am interested to know how all this midandry in the thoughts of some women is resulting in problems for men. And whether it really is equivalent to the result of misogyny in men (and lots of women as well). Around the world.

I also don't understand why it's fundamentally wrong for a person who has been treated badly by X type of person to think in their head, on the whole I don't like them.

I totally understand why a person that had had loads of awful stuff would feel like that. And surely it's better in general to try and stop the awfulness than say that person's internal thoughts are Wrong?

Oh and also.

I've had male work colleagues say stuff like the OP had.

Looking for a row.

Take it to HR? You're joking right?

Before Corona 54000 women in the UK lost their jobs because they were pregnant.

(Google)

What did they do wrong?

'Female staff are not required to put up with any kind of shite while at work. I won't have it. If someone wants to act like a creep they can go elsewhere. A business has a duty to ensure staff are supported when it comes to harassment and discrimination, from customers or other staff.'

Have you tried living in the real world at all?

I also like the little hint that women who experience this at work and don't somehow make it go away are doing it wrong.

ChiefBabySniffer I am so sorry that hear about your experiences.

I have worked in situations where certain clients had notes attached to their files for having to be dealt with by males only. (potentially violent towards females).

I'm finding some of the suggested responses to the man who referred to feminist crap and then asked OP if she hated men hilarious.

Seems clear that some on here have never actually been in position where a man has been like that/ asked that.

Oh just be polite.
Oh just say you don't like some behaviours

The blatant ignoring of the fact men who do this are UP FOR A ROW with a woman who has had the temerity to mention something related to women's rights in passing. And push and push until they get that row. Is sweetly and naively charming really.

I mean a bit suggestive that they don't really know what they're talking about but still it's really nice to assume that a few gentle words or a sensible answer will result in him engaging in a nice good faith conversation

It's not really his business OliverBabish is it? But in your shoes I'd respond with something like, "Not at all, but I dislike some of their behaviours, same as most women" which I don't think is at all unusual, especially under the present climate. They're really not doing themselves any favours, are they?

...and most seem to be oblivious or comfortable with that.

I think it’s more the societal constructs around men and their utter comfort within it that bothers me.

Men don’t have to get it right, they can get away with so much, and they generally know that. Some abuse that, some don’t, but the majority certainly don’t challenge it. That’s what I don’t like.

They are forgiven for so much more than women and

Has there been a response to the women who express their 'misandy' by being wary of men in certain situations where they would not be with a woman?

If a young man feels wary walking past a group of young men in town but not old women is he being both misdarist and ageist?

Worth exploring.

I also think it's worth remembering that some posts on here on both 'sides' will likely be people stirring things up for their own purposes.

Hard to tell obviously but threads like this do tend to attract a few.

Some people I dislike but it is because of them.

I've got a husband, 3 sons and 3 grandsons. I like men, I've got a sister, 2 nieces, a daughter, 3 granddaughters. I like women.

There are some people I like but it is because of them not their sex.

Sleeping the higher number of boys born coupled with the fact the infant mortality is higher is a thing.

I have read that when there are less of one sex in the community then more babies of that sex are born.

What the mechanisms are I don't know. It's not down to something women are doing in purpose and it's not down to nature being sentient.

Nature put it's best into women.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Nature isn't sentient FGS.

If it had put it's 'best' into us wouldn't we be able to have babies without all the pain and risk for a start.