It is unacceptable for me to feel that I don’t like men?

The abuse by coaches when it came out. I mean what brave men. What appalling abuse.

What I thought was that
I have no doubt that it is incredibly hard for men to disclose this type of abuse
The coverage of it was much more sympathetic and believing than when it's girls

So these things need to change.

I find it very interesting that the men abused by their coaches seem to engender more empathy than all the female victims of rape who can't get justice. It makes me sad. Haven't seen any implications those men might be lying/attention seeking/gold diggers

I am not sure most men actually 'like' women, they have their uses etc!. As a volunteer, the area I work in is 99 percent male, even in a senior role, I feel tolerated at best by most of the men

I only know, well knew, one lesbian couple really well. Neither were violent as far as I know but I would say there was what we now call coercive control and I was actually quite relieved when they split up. I thought it could end in violence. The other couple I know seem a very happy partnership, one most people would envy to be honest. I hope it is as idyllic as it seems. I imagine lesbian couples vary just like heterosexual couples.

Well I mean if robbo doesn't like lesbians and wouldn't want to flat share again that's up to him.

As long as he keeps his feelings to himself irl and doesn't discriminate etc if he is in a position of hiring or etc then. Well it's Robbie business.

I think he's making a point but meh tbh

I then read about how lesbian women experience higher rates of partner violence than straight women and it just sort of reaffirmed by experiences (although I'm not sure if it's true).

up, Robbo. Can you link to the source of this? Because I'm a 60-year-old lesbian who's known hundreds of lesbians over the years, and while no one would pretend that all lesbian relationships are a bed of roses, and that there aren't angry and violent women around, I'd be very surprised if that was accurate.

It think it's absolutely OK to feel like that. I think it's always and everywhere OK for people in an oppressed class to hate or distrust the class of their oppressors. Women hating men is not the same as men hating women - the power dynamic is different. An exception-based rule seems to work well.

Even most "good" men are blind to the power we have. Being a leftie does not innoculate men against bad behaviour - I've given up being suprised at so-called allies turning out to be abusers, often using their ally status to gain access to women. It's depressing to see the amount of NotAllMen comments on Labour forums, and they seem blind to the analogy with AllLivesMatter.

I just want to pick apart the race comparisons. Men commit domestic violence and sexual assaults across all levels of the socio economic spectrum. Whereas sticking minorities in poorer environments, and then systemically preventing upward social mobility for them will likely produce disparities in the criminal justice system. It’s not hard to rebutt claims that any individual race have particular predispositions to bad behaviour.

However there does appear to be something that when you control for everything else that men are more violent. As a man I’m actually very keen to sort this one out once and for all. If any individual woman wants to dislike me I can kind of see why that might be the case.

My dh is one of those decent men Shed describes and he despairs of many of the men of his acquaintance. He prefers being friends with women. He is constantly disappointed by his male peers and has come off several WhatsApp groups due to the stuff shared. There are some good men about but sadly there do seem to be fewer of them than there are decent women. We have teen girls so he won’t put up with stuff.

Hate that the prevailing culture is so toxic and dominant - lots of men hate it too.

They're trying to sort this in Scotland, though.

Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you hear me Major.....

bugger it. No. They're beyond reach. How sad.

I'm a lesbian and live a woman-centred life except for my work, which is in a male-dominated sector. I do meet some decent men who treat me as an equal and whose company I quite enjoy being in. They are thoughtful, respectful and free of macho bs. They worry about their daughters' futures and appreciate everything their wives experience as a result of being born female. But for every one of them, I'd say there are a dozen who aren't woman-safe or woman-friendly, even though many of them are in relationships with women.

I won't go quite as far as saying I don't like men, but I certainly don't like or want to have anything to do with the vast majority of men. And I think the decent men understand that and would probably prefer not to have to deal with the bastard men either.

People just existing with prejudices and less pure views than you doesn't harm you. Brain washing and thought crime isn't (yet) a thing, you don't have to force everyone you meet into either the 'right thinking person' or 'thought criminal' box. And beyond primary school, not everyone you meet has to be called 'your friend'

Hear hear. They're trying to sort this in Scotland, though.

And frankly if you're emotionally unable to cope with the idea that a man says he doesn't like women.... that's your problem to look into and deal with.

I'm lesbian, I've met people who are homophobic (not many, but some in the family). My emotional wellbeing can't and doesn't depend on having everyone else's approval and never hearing anything from anyone that rejects me. If I did, I wouldn't be that mentally healthy really. I spend a lot of time trying to teach my child with Autism that if someone says or does something he sees as wrong, he does not have to correct them until he's convinced they're now fixed to a way he's comfortable with. Sometimes you walk away and let them be them and it's not your circus, not your monkeys.

How would you feel if men told you I really don’t like women?

Plenty of men don't. That's a choice they make, that's a view they have. If they insist on being a twat about it people are going to avoid them and think they're a twat. If they act on that belief by harming one then they're going to run up against the law. But saying that they don't like women harms no one. People just existing with prejudices and less pure views than you doesn't harm you. Brain washing and thought crime isn't (yet) a thing, you don't have to force everyone you meet into either the 'right thinking person' or 'thought criminal' box. And beyond primary school, not everyone you meet has to be called 'your friend'.

The answer to a twat is a wide berth. Live and let live.

We are allowed to have any feelings we want - the important thing is how we act. Clearly voicing some beliefs is not allowed by law, but feeling and thinking is allowed

My personal view is that it’s all a bit too generalised and sweeping. But totally not unacceptable nor unreasonable.

How would you feel if men told you I really don’t like women?