It is not feminist to fancy evil people

Tbh most of the men I find attractive in films etc are types that I wouldn't touch with a bargepole in real life. But either they aren't evil, just not good relationship material (e.g. Sherlock) or they are evil, but in a cartoonish or fantasy character way (e.g. Spike, Loki etc). I don't find bad men attractive irl at all.

Anyway, I doubt that many women get involved with real-life evil men because they've been sold the idea of the sexy movie baddie. It's because they have messed-up boundaries and serious problems in their lives, which cause them to make unwise choices.

Ah, what did Red Molly see in James?

Well, there are songs that feature Box Hill and others that don't.

I'd agree fiction as a whole needs an overhaul. Just off the top of my head:

Movies and shows should have more than one female actress.
Who aren't all 'types' but 3d well written characters.
Women shouldn't be a tool or reward for men of action.
Relationship should be either varied or age appropriate. Not just beautiful young girl and older/geekier/worldly man.
Women should represent 50% of characters.
Women shouldn't be a 'boon'.
Women should have as many lines as men.

Of course, seeing as how MEN are writers and directors in the majority of media it's down to them to change things.

Plus more female writers and directors would be great.

Glamorising those who harm women should be a feminist issue. Though there is a difference between finding someone attractive and doing other than thinking about it.

It's a trope in fiction surely.

Very few women when told that a man is amurderer, child abuser etc think oooh that sounds hot.

Women who are entangled with these men is a different matter. They don't tend to let the woman know from the start that they're going to beat them up/ like to torture animals etc.

And often what is seen as a 'bad boy' is not very bad. A boy your parents will disprove of (rebellion) because he smokes and has a motorbike or whatever!

I’ve always thought the attraction to bad guys was the allure of having no limits; fantasising about being as selfish and self-indulgent as women are rarely able to be. And taking out the bloke who tells you to smile, without guilt.

This is interesting. So is the idea that being the one to “fix” a bad guy and turn him good is a power fantasy for some women; being so strong / powerful / awesome that a man would change his ways for you.

I often find fictional villains more compelling and attractive than the “good guys”. Sometimes they’re just more interestingly written. I resent the notion that I (and women in general) can’t differentiate between fiction and real life though (although I’m not sure if that’s what the OP is talking about). In reality, I’m attracted to kind, patient and gentle men.

The Cordy and Connor thing, I just can't even.
Speaking of non feminist literature it's on par with the Jacob and Renesme thing.
Yes, I did read it (the whole series). However I can still consider myself a feminist as recognised it for the misogynistic nonsense it was.
Ditto 50 shades. Such an interesting concept that ended up being such a wasted opportunity for exploring a very dark thing in favour of pseudo romance.

I'd say Christian Grey just pips Edward for gaslighting abusive jerk, but it's a close call.

I loved Cordy's character development until the Connor series as well

Apparently Angel and Cordy was the original plan. Then Charisma Carpenter got pregnant and Josh Weedon treated her like crap

I dated and was very good friends with a few "bad" (or at least what my parents and society deemed to be bad )boys in my teens/early twenties.
Overall they were pretty decent , but on the fringe of respectable. Single parent homes,non academic, parents in low income jobs, working in internet cafes or other low income jobs instead of going to uni,drinking, pot users etc. I liked that I could be myself around them.

I was too fat for the nice boys anyways.

I wonder if you’re confusing women with feminists? You do realise that not all women consider themselves feminist and that not every choice made by a woman is a feminist one?

Anyone who read or watched 50 Shades and found themselves fancying CG (rather than Jamie Dornan) probably doesn’t consider themselves a feminist, as that was a portrayal of an abusive relationship dressed in romance’s clothing. As an actual feminist it made me cry, seeing her drawn in by his ‘nasty bastard pretending to be Dom’ behaviour, but I have plenty of female friends who thought it was super sexy. They’re probably not the ones on this forum or wandering around in their Adult Human Female t shirts!

I like a bit of bad burning hunk of amoral love in my telly shows. I was never into Buffy but I'd have been very happy with a little bit of Draco from Xena and over the moon with a lot of Ares. I'm also a feminist, it's not mutually exclusive.

Angel and Cordy - the relationship we never got,

I can’t forgive the show for the season with Angel’s son (how Angel and the wonderful Darla could produce a son so whiny), but the episode where Cordy comes to say goodbye is all the feels.

I’m not sure what the OP’s issue is, but most women can fancy Spike without writing prison letters to Charles Manson. I’ve always thought the attraction to bad guys was the allure of having no limits; fantasising about being as selfish and self-indulgent as women are rarely able to be. And taking out the bloke who tells you to smile, without guilt.

I feel like this point is as obvious as feminists don't centre men, but actually that might be a thread worth discussing.

Glad for this one though, I think Spike dog has completed my life.

Govgel and Sporis less so.

You what now?

Oh christ op not you again. Your last thread got deleted, wasnt it about rape not being sexy? (No one said it was). I think you need a hobby.

Passing over the absolute horrors on this thread, I've always been mightily irked by being told I muat fancy "bad boys".

I don't. Never have. I'm generally looking for a combination of law-abiding, sarcasm and long hair!

Well that was odd

The Stranger Things thing was weird. I've come to the conclusion that it was mainly bad writing, rather than anything they intended.

Oh, come now, Sunset.

I know you just set that as your background. 😍

I have actually never watched Buffy properly but I'm on the lookout for something to binge-watch.

Shall I give it a go?

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer Teddy Bear Spike is hilarious, that's made my night