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Rape in private school - 170 testimonies

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OhHolyJesus · 24/03/2021 07:51

I don't even have words for this.

Rape normal at private school, says dossier of 170 testimonies

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c000d75a-8c16-11eb-a1a3-928d43a3bbc1?shareToken=a81fa5fea8898f75dced6354b15fd919

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WarriorN · 31/03/2021 11:15

Bit concerning re safeguarding and this website everyones invited:

Note Lorcan.

twitter.com/jeanhatchet/status/1376565618741239816?s=21

Starting to see a few whataboutery posts.

Also, is it not a place for some twats to "enjoy?"

Ifonlyus · 31/03/2021 09:05

Quite nicegerbil. It's not new. It's not the first time these starts have come to light. It's just no - one has been listening. It's very sad that a spotlight shone on private schools, and out population's dislike of private school boys, is what it has taken to get more coverage in the press.

Saltyslug · 31/03/2021 07:47

To create change.

Every incident of sexual harassment or abuse must be reported to the LA and police by the school.

The LA and police monitor numbers of incidents and specialist agencies are bought in schools with complex issues and higher case numbers.

School are inspected for their handling of sexual abuse and harassment cases. A disciplinary/investigation needs to happen if the safe guarding lead and head is found not following process

Teachers are better taught about safeguarding processes and there are Chrystal clear routes of how to report incidents, who to and time limits in place. A disciplinary/investigation takes place if teachers fail to follow process

Children and parents are taught their rights and know processes to follow if an incident takes place. Peer support is emphasised and specialist agencies regularly educate boys and girls. Help lines visible in all form rooms.

Boys know the law and punishment. Age of criminal responsibility. All cases are seen to be acted upon

Victim support is in place with clear school processes about the support automatically offered. Specialist agencies bought in if required

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 07:10

The few recounts I read did appear to describe more male entitlement; girls had often confronted or talked to male friends and it was downplayed and dismissed as "you've just never experienced rough sex" as one example. But all accounts do show an absolute disregard for these girls.

And they're clearly used to getting away with it.

I remember a Kellie Jay talking about this issue, specifically rapes actually in schools a while ago. There was a website which I can't seem to access but does come up on Google. Around one a day during the school year. Which is absolutely horrific; obviously many of the accounts on everyone's invited are off school premises.

Rape in private school - 170 testimonies
NiceGerbil · 30/03/2021 23:35

It is everywhere but I suspect that in private schools it may well be compounded by

Boys having even more male entitlement than others
School desperate to protect its reputation. Because fees

I think it's taken off in the news now because the children are 'posh'.

All girls everywhere deserve better.

NiceGerbil · 30/03/2021 23:33

This is awful but again it's not the first anyone has heard of sexual violence in schools.

Girl guides 2017
Our 2017 Girls’ Attitudes Survey showed that sexual harassment in schools is on the rise; in 2017 64% of girls aged 13-21 had experienced sexual harassment in school in the past year compared to 59% in 2014. And in the past week alone, 39% of girls aged 11-21 had seen or experienced a girl having their bra strap pulled by boys and 27% had seen girls’ skirts being pulled up by boys.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/what-we-do/our-stories-and-news/blogs/lets-end-sexual-harassment-in-schools/

'STATS
1/3 of 16-18 year old girls say they have experienced unwanted sexual touching at school

59% of young women aged 13-21 say they had faced some form of sexual harassment at school or college in the past year

600 rapes in schools were reported to police between 2012 and 2015 – an average of a rape every day of the school year.

Nearly three-quarters (71%) of all 16-18 year olds say they hear terms like “slut” or “slag” used towards girls at school on a regular basis

24% 16-18-year-olds say that their teachers never said unwanted sexual touching, sharing of sexual pictures or sexual name calling are unacceptable'

www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/campaign/metoo-at-school/

NeurologicallySpeaking · 30/03/2021 23:12

Can I just point out, as someone responding to some of these issues in a U.K. school at the moment, that the current hardest challenge is working with some parents of boys who are NAMALTing left right and centre, asserting that boys will be boys, boys are victims too etc etc.

Rather than just accepting the fact that if all, or very nearly all, women and girls are dealing with/ have dealt with sexual harassment, then it is not the same very small number of boys running up and down the country perpetrating offences while the vast majority show respectful attitudes towards girls...

AffronttoGender · 30/03/2021 21:41

I don’t know why it is only news now. I don’t think it is just private schools either (although some people seem to want to attack the so called ‘privileged’). I think it is or was all pervasive. The sex and pornography soaked culture enabled by the internet, and general culture and music videos etc. For well over decade made it all seemed ‘normal’. I remember being seriously worried for my dd for a long time after she was born (still am). She is now 16 and in an all girls school. I still remember cultural moments like Blurred Lines, 50 shades, highly sexualised music videos, Game of Thrones, and general unlimited porn on the internet.....I remember thinking ‘who’s going to do something about this?’ And ‘When will it end?’.

WarriorN · 30/03/2021 18:27

Yes they do. I can't really put it into words.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/03/2021 17:18

Don’t they all?

WarriorN · 30/03/2021 17:06

The private school stories do seem especially horrific, they often describe the perpetrators appearing to have an extra layer of assuming this is absolutely normal.

WarriorN · 30/03/2021 17:04

*Police expect biggest increase in reports of sexual abuse since Jimmy Savile scandal

National helpline to be set up as police believe allegations could exceed 11,000*

The article below, from yesterday, says they're expecting this to reach 11,000; it's just about there now (10,913) and will certainly exceed it. 8,300 yesterday/ Sunday eve according to the article.

The testimonies are just awful to read.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/29/parents-should-report-own-children-to-police-for-sexual-assault-says-chief-constable?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

https://www.everyonesinvited.uk/

BoomTastic1 · 30/03/2021 09:15

I went to private school in the 90s and didn't experience any harrassment. There was a short spate of boys pinging bra straps around 11 or 12. The teachers came down on that pretty quickly. There was strong female leadership I remember. I think the answer is to stamp it out as soon as it starts, not let it slide, but that relies on girls feeling able to speak up and that they are taken seriously and listened to as soon as they do. What message does it give to a YW if she speaks up and is dismissed? Absolutely no excuse for that.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/03/2021 08:09

Care - I forgot children in care.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/03/2021 08:03

It’s so much wider than schools - churches, youth clubs, cadets, scouts/brownies/guides, sports clubs and training... girls (everyday) and boys (more hidden?). And social media.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/03/2021 07:52

Of course it is not just private schools.

The Times today has a piece on claims of abuse in state schools

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/surge-in-claims-of-sexual-abuse-by-pupils-at-state-schools-sbzz3x8pq?shareToken=09356eb626269ded2341deb777353340

Ifonlyus · 29/03/2021 12:14

It's so frustrating that many of us have been pointing these issues out, lamenting the lack of of proper SRE which addresses consent, abuse and pornography and only now is out making the mainstream media, in what I hope is a 'connecting the dots' explosion that won't die down until wider society recognise the problem.

Of course it is not just private schools. I read an article a few years ago about a NHS mental health trust, and it talks about the increasing amount of girls they were treating for mental health disorders. It explicitly cited the cause as being the mistreatment of these girls by their male peer group. Girls persuaded to share nudes of themselves, then being shared wider, or girls being filmed performing sex acts and those images been shared. These actions cause trauma in many girls that prevent them from being able to function. This article mostly included state schools and girls from more deprived backgrounds.

In the past decade we've given children access to a powerful tool which allows them to consume and share information that is far beyond their level of maturity. Many parents need to wake up to what is out there. The teenage boards on here are always full of the parents who don't parent, and instead defer to their own youth to excuse their teens doing what they want. Which is about as useful as conparing my youth to my late grandmother's youth.

Where schools do have a responsibility, I think, is to actually educate parents. And I know some schools do try. All schools need to not be squeamish about explaining to parents know what pornography looks like today, the kind of messages and language boys are using to talk about girls in their messages and what's app groups.

By the way - slightly related - has anyone seen that Warwick University female students have been staging a protest for at least a week calling on the university to do more to protect and support female students? It's not been widely reported. Let's not forget its not just schools. When the problems with male entitlement and abusive bahaviour aren't tackled during the school years, they move in to universities, and many universities have been guilty of (mus) handling allegations internally instead of involving the police

ScrollingLeaves · 29/03/2021 11:19

ErrolTheDragon - from the link about Westminster School in the Times you linked.

What the headmaster of Westminster said “In respect of the alleged incident, our records show the school followed its published procedures and the advice of the relevant local authorities with whom it engaged fully. The school’s primary concern then, and remains now, the welfare of and pastoral care for its pupils and, as a consequence, all parties were dealt with fairly and sensitively.”
Yet if you compare this to what actually happened the girl, and her (alleged) attacker, this statement is hollow. They have followed policy but the effects on the girl were disastrous.

Lochmorlich · 29/03/2021 10:52

And the headmistress of Wirral grammar for girls is in the metro .
A pupil has started a petition to allow girls to wear trousers.
Elaine Cogan is not happy.

metro.co.uk/2021/03/25/headteacher-brands-petition-for-girls-to-wear-trousers-unacceptable-14305146/

AuntieStella · 29/03/2021 10:26

I wrote this on another thread too. It isn't just private, it's all school

@SchrodingersUnicorn - I completelymagree, and have been saying this too. Seeing the problem as 'other' as a private school issue is the worst possible outcome, but I'm hoping that now the creator of the website has said clearly it's everywhere, that erroneous impression will fade.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/03/2021 10:14

There was a thread here started by a mother distraught that her 14 year old daughter had lied to her about her daily walk. Because all the family had a What’s App showing where they went, the mother had seen the girl was going to an odd place in the park. She went and found her there with a boy. It turned out she had met him on face book through a friend. He was her age not dangerous etc - but he could have been and this is just the sort circumstances where she could be vulnerable.

This mother was vilified for having ‘caught’ her daughter. The breach of trust aside -shown by the mother- the shocking consensus seemed to be that at that age she should be free to do what she likes, that they had done the same as her at her age and so on...... yet it at this sort of meeting we know how badly things can go wrong.

Time and time again on MN women insist that porn is fine regardless of the fact that it is showing a false and horrible way of treating women. Children are seeing it and being sexualised long before they have developed enough understanding.

The list of the pervasive harm in our society could go on obviously.

It is short sighted to think all this is the responsibility of schools.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2021 10:06

@Lochmorlich

Its very telling imo that if I put a photo of my dog on sm I will get many immediate responses. The bbc article about rape culture in schools that I posted first thing this morning has not been acknowledged by anyone.
Animal protection laws were created in the uk before child protection laws.
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