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Why give child man' s surname

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DeedledeDee · 23/03/2021 17:06

Just that. Woman I know not married, strong feminist, determined to keep her own name, then gives children his surname.
Why not give her own surname ? In some cultures they do ,they follow the maternal line.
Also, I know it would be less complicated if there are several children to different father's.
Men come and go, but children usually stay with the mum. Would be sensible then if they all have her family name.
What do you think?

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BrandineDelRoy · 23/03/2021 18:41

@Lotsofpots

Boys were going to have his name, girls mine. We had two boys. If I'd known in advance I might have tried to find a different compromise.

Both have middle names that have links to my family.

You practiced what I preached. Smile
whatswithtodaytoday · 23/03/2021 18:41

My son has my surname. Not married, and even before I met my partner (many years ago) I swore my child would have my name and I would never change my name on marriage.

My name is unusual, pretty and has an interesting history.

EyesOpening · 23/03/2021 18:39

@BingPot99

Not only is it easier for the wife to change her name than for the husband as a PP said, admin at schools, airports and loads of other places is just easier when parents and child share a name.
I wasn’t aware of the passports thing when I chose my children’s surnames, I would probably have given them mine if I had but I’ve never had any problems with them having a different surname from me. I wouldn’t have wanted children with different surnames to each though, so thankfully that didn’t happen
DogsDinner · 23/03/2021 18:38

I can see the benefits of picking the ‘nicer’ surname, and the whole family using that.

Personally, there’s no way I would agree to having a different surname to my kids, so they have mine.

supersonicginandtonic · 23/03/2021 18:38

I have children by diffeent dads, they have their dads surnames. Never complicated for me.

Lotsofpots · 23/03/2021 18:38

Boys were going to have his name, girls mine. We had two boys. If I'd known in advance I might have tried to find a different compromise.

Both have middle names that have links to my family.

CrossPurposes · 23/03/2021 18:36

@LadyChappers

My children have my surname. It was never something heavily debated - I grew them, I named them.

Yep, nine months inside me tipped the balance.

DeedledeDee · 23/03/2021 18:33

Yes it's true that the woman's name cones from her father but we have to start somewhere, and also a totally new name could be used as a fresh start.

I guess it's one of the remaining issues regarding feminism. Men do feel emasculated if they were asked to lose their "identity" They are brought up never having to doubt it.
Women are brought up to always acknowledge they will change (or have the option not to nowadays).
I think there will come a time when there will be no raised eyebrows if a family including the man all live with the woman's name ,
It will I hope be as common as same sex marriages

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BingPot99 · 23/03/2021 18:33

Not only is it easier for the wife to change her name than for the husband as a PP said, admin at schools, airports and loads of other places is just easier when parents and child share a name.

BingPot99 · 23/03/2021 18:31

I took my husband's name because it was the easiest option administratively. My old name was only mine because it was my dad's so there's no special significance to it, whereas taking my husband's name reflects an active choice I made in marrying him rather than just passively growing up with my dad's name. I am no less a part of my parents' family because I don't share their name.

EyesOpening · 23/03/2021 18:29

@malloo

I didn't change my name when we got married, but our kids have got DH's surname. I can't remember the exact reason, I think it was something a bit stupid along the lines of they were more obviously mine given I carried them and gave birth to them and I felt DH was a bit left out of the whole process? Didn't think it through that well I'm embarrassed to say! And I probably wouldn't have done the same now, but not sure what I would have done, would it really be better if they had my name? After all, it was, and still is, a joint project Smile.
This is kind of me, I wanted my my DP to have a “bond” with his children as he didn’t have the bond of carrying the baby. I tried also to find a different way of making a surname that wasn’t double barrelling but couldn’t find anything. I wouldn’t change my name, even though I don’t like it, because it’s me, like my arm or leg!
Judashascomeintosomemoney · 23/03/2021 18:23

My DDs were born before DH and I married, I knew we were getting married at some point and so decided we’d all have the same name, which happened to be his name. I feel I am getting more and more militantly feminist as I get older but, I have to confess, this isn’t something that bothered me before and it doesn’t bother me now. My name, his name? They’re all some other mans name. ‘My’ name isn’t mine, it’s my father’s. And, actually, it wasn’t even the name of the lovely man who I knew as Grandad and my DF knew as Dad, who chose him and my Nan as his ready made family when my DFs father left them when my DF was two years old. It was the name of the idiot who left them destitute. And my Mother’s ‘maiden’ name? Well, firstly she was abusive all throughout my childhood, and so was my Grandfather whose name she had. So, on balance, if I’m going to have any name, I’d rather have the name of my lovely husband than any of the abusive twats of men (and woman) that are in my family history. I suppose the only alternative would have been to make up a completely new name, but I didn’t think of that then Wink

drspouse · 23/03/2021 18:21

@SwearyMaclary

It’s funny how many women say that they gave their child the father’s surname because they hate their own, but you almost never hear of the reverse happening.
My uncle was planning to do this, for just this reason, but caved in to society aka his dad. So I think when a few more people do this it will become more acceptable, like longer paternity leave.
DeedledeDee · 23/03/2021 18:20

@cheeseismydownfall

I took DHs name without thinking when we married. I'm a bit cross about that now, although I don't know what the alternative would be, they are all a bit crap - for me personally it was important for us all to have the same name, and double barrelling isn't ideal and only solves the problem for one generation. DH taking my name would have meant him losing his family link. Making up a new name is an option I guess, although it feels a bit like children cutting the last fragment of cake in half because neither can bear to let the other one have it.

I guess in some ways I'm relieved I didn't think harder at the time because if I had have done there is no way I would have quietly gone along with taking his name, but at the same time I don't know what would be better. I agree with the PPs who point out that if there is going to be a 'normal' approach then we've got it the wrong way round because in practice children are more likely to remain with their mother's in the event of a marriage breakdown.

One thing I've noticed in these threads though is how many women have terrible maiden names they can't wait to be shot of. Funny how these terrible names seem to always belong to the woman and not the man Hmm

Aha ! DH. losing his family link?!!

Carrying on the family name ?!

I've heard this many times by men who won't change.

What about carrying on women's family name?

What about women who lose their family link?

But that's not so important as they're just women, there to continue His name .,His heritage, His lineage.

It's so demeaning. And so out of date

So -. Unequal

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Beamur · 23/03/2021 18:20

DD came along before we married. After much discussion we agreed she should have the same surname as her (half) siblings to make them feel more of a family. I think it was the right choice. It did pain me though.
I'm still sitting on the fence about my name. For some things I use my name, for simplicity I use my husband's surname on some others. I only use my name at work.

HuntingoftheSnark · 23/03/2021 18:18

I'm astonished at how many PPs have such awful surnames that they couldn't burden their children with them! My surname is not only boring but my parents changed it before I was born, so it's not a "family name". My DD's father has a lovely, distinguished Indian name. However, we weren't married so she has my name and, as we are no longer together 23 years later and he hasn't had contact with her for many years (his choice), I think it was the right decision.

Hoowhoowho · 23/03/2021 18:15

I have my father’s surname
DH has his mother’s

We both kept our surnames on marriage
DC1 had family middle name from my side and his surname (she died as an infant as we knew was likely)
DC2 ditto
DC3 has my surname (and same middle name as DC1)

So my two living children have different aurnamwa

My husband’s sister also has her mother’s surname which she kept on marriage and gave to her son.

LibertyMole · 23/03/2021 18:11

My children have my surname. Their father’s was not as good as mine.

DoggyDoolittle · 23/03/2021 18:11

Completely agree. I don't get it either. Naming your child with your male partner's surname is giving in to centuries of women being dominated by men.
To be fair though, almost any woman's own pre-marriage surname (and yes, I changed mine) is a symbol of hundreds of years of female ancestors being the chattel of their husbands. For centuries, they have lost their own surname and taken a new one; that's how I ended up with the one I had.

BraveBananaBadge · 23/03/2021 18:10

My situation is exactly the same as Hens' above. And I thought I would feel very strongly about DCs not having my name. As soon as I gave birth though I knew nothing could take that connection away from me and that was enough, I didn't mind.

Can't see myself ever changing my name now, but sometimes wonder if it would be easier to all be the same.

LadyChappers · 23/03/2021 18:08

@DeedledeDee

Just that. Woman I know not married, strong feminist, determined to keep her own name, then gives children his surname. Why not give her own surname ? In some cultures they do ,they follow the maternal line. Also, I know it would be less complicated if there are several children to different father's. Men come and go, but children usually stay with the mum. Would be sensible then if they all have her family name. What do you think?
My children have my surname. It was never something heavily debated - I grew them, I named them. On the other hand - my husband was comfortable marrying a feminist, so I guess I would have been surprised had this ended up being more of an issue.
Northernsoullover · 23/03/2021 18:05

I gave my children their fathers surname. Mine is awful and I'd change it if I didn't want to upset my dad. Its also distinctive. I have a job in which I'm not always viewed favourably. I've had to change all my social media accounts. My boys surnames are common and will blend in nicely.

malloo · 23/03/2021 18:04

I didn't change my name when we got married, but our kids have got DH's surname. I can't remember the exact reason, I think it was something a bit stupid along the lines of they were more obviously mine given I carried them and gave birth to them and I felt DH was a bit left out of the whole process? Didn't think it through that well I'm embarrassed to say! And I probably wouldn't have done the same now, but not sure what I would have done, would it really be better if they had my name? After all, it was, and still is, a joint project Smile.

BrandineDelRoy · 23/03/2021 18:01

I have a legitimately horrid name. If you Google it, you find it was one of the insulting surnames imposed on Ashkenazi Jews by the Hapsburgs. But my brother's kids are growing up with it, just like I did. I made it my middle name when I married.

I think many men would change last names if society didn't see it as emasculating.

Wishitsnows · 23/03/2021 17:54

It's odd how many women have terrible names they can't wait to change yet their fathers and brothers never do

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