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For Women Scotland lose case

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PandorasMailbox · 23/03/2021 12:16

Absolutely gutted for them Sad

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RobinMoiraWhite · 15/04/2021 18:48

@UppityPuppity

The Scottish judgment looks pretty soundly based to me.

Based on the miracle of man becoming woman on the gas statement?

Wow. Good to know it was only that simple I could have bypassed 7 years of carrying, labouring, birthing and breastfeeding three children as opposed to DH’s minimal contribution in time and effort...

No. Based on the relevant law as it has developed over the last 50 plus years.
TheShadowyFeminist · 15/04/2021 18:47

The Scottish judgment looks pretty soundly based to me.

Go on, give us your expert analysis on why that is. We know you really want to.

UppityPuppity · 15/04/2021 18:45

The Scottish judgment looks pretty soundly based to me.

Based on the miracle of man becoming woman on the gas statement?

Wow. Good to know it was only that simple I could have bypassed 7 years of carrying, labouring, birthing and breastfeeding three children as opposed to DH’s minimal contribution in time and effort...

RobinMoiraWhite · 15/04/2021 18:38

@TheShadowyFeminist

I thought you were a QC? Do you not understand the concept of either accepting a judgement or appealing if there's sufficient grounds?

I'm sure you also presented fairly confidently at Allison Bailey's case hearing (I'm sure you'll remind me of the correct terminology), on behalf of Stonewall I think, that you could get her case thrown out. Were you confident then? Do you concede now you're arguments didn't stack up or would you make the same arguments again if you had the chance?

I dont comment publicly about cases I am involved in until they are over for somewhat obvious reasons.

The Scottish judgment looks pretty soundly based to me.

OhHolyJesus · 15/04/2021 18:27

Maybe she's unaware of the legal case FWS are fighting. 😒

Or what feminist means, or what fingertips are, or what 'really important points' are. 🙄

TheShadowyFeminist · 15/04/2021 18:17

“I am a feminist to my fingertips, and nothing in what we have proposed nothing in what we are proposing in any way diminishes, or removes the protections that women currently have under the Equality Act and I think that is a really important point to make...”

☝️ Sturgeon's comments on SNP manifesto pledge to push through GRA reform. Maybe she's unaware of the legal case FWS are fighting. 😒

Olderstyle1 · 14/04/2021 23:23

Gets popcorn.
Flowers for you Shadowy

TheShadowyFeminist · 14/04/2021 23:05

I thought you were a QC? Do you not understand the concept of either accepting a judgement or appealing if there's sufficient grounds?

I'm sure you also presented fairly confidently at Allison Bailey's case hearing (I'm sure you'll remind me of the correct terminology), on behalf of Stonewall I think, that you could get her case thrown out. Were you confident then? Do you concede now you're arguments didn't stack up or would you make the same arguments again if you had the chance?

RobinMoiraWhite · 14/04/2021 22:58

@OhHolyJesus

Appeal is to go ahead!

Update on Stop the Scottish Government redefining "woman" to include men

Having spoken to our lawyers and considered the financial implications and the appetite for this case, we have decided that we will appeal the decision on the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act. Our legal team is confident that the judgement is legally challengeable.
We have already seen this law cited by lobbyists hoping to roll back women's rights, and we have seen an MP claim that she would have no issue with a “gender balanced” board made up of 50% men and 50% transwomen. The Scottish Government also take the view that men who self-identify as women, are women - and this will be the basis of future policies. Therefore, we feel we have a duty to Scottish women to continue to fight: we cannot leave this law on the statute books to the detriment of women.
We would rather we did not have to seek redress from the courts, but as the Scottish Government continues to refuse to engage with women, we have little choice. Unchallenged, we feel this would only embolden those who wish to undermine Equality Act 2010 - we understand that the Scottish Green Party are now demanding the adoption of the flawed Yogyakarta Principles into Scots Law.
A reclaiming motion was formally marked on 9th April and we will leave open our fundraiser. Thank you so much for your support thus far, we cannot do this without you.

Same legal team that were confident first time roud?
transbadger · 14/04/2021 21:18

Have just donated to the appeal.

Scottish here and worried by the day about this sort of thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2021 21:15

Glad to see this appeal, will get out the shovel.

jul26m · 14/04/2021 20:04

@SweetPetrichor

Good. Reading their manifesto represents this as a disgusting waste of money. Don’t feel sorry for all Scottish women. I’m proud to stand with equality for all, not just for me.
Couldn’t agree more @SweetPetrichor! “Equality for all, not just me” couldn’t have been put better.
Terranean · 14/04/2021 19:55

Will dig up a little more until next pay day!

stumbledin · 14/04/2021 18:21

More power to you and all who are taking on this work!

Iamhangingin · 14/04/2021 18:03

That's great. I wish them all the best. It does set a precedent which could have more impact in other situations so it should be really looked at and discussed.

I don't think women in Scotland have been properly consulted. If I honestly thought most women in Scotland were onboard with this I'd be unhappy, but I'd be okay with it because we live in a democratic society. There are lots of laws or government policies that I disagree with but I accept. This reclassification of what a woman means just seems so important but we don't appear to have had a proper, sensible conversation about it

terryleather · 14/04/2021 17:44

Thank you thank you thank you FWS ! Flowers

DialSquare · 14/04/2021 17:30

Just seen the email. Off to dig now.

malloo · 14/04/2021 17:29

Well done FWS, let's keep fighting! Off to dig.

SheldonesqueHasGotTheWeevils · 14/04/2021 17:29

Okay wee nippy.

I get that this might stick in your craw a wee bit, but.

If you are the feminist you claim, now might be the time to put your hand in your pocket hen...

You helped us into this mess after all.

Shewantsitall · 14/04/2021 17:26

Great news. Thank you FWS - will support in whatever way I can.

Olderstyle1 · 14/04/2021 17:24

Yay! Go women! Thank you for standing up against this misogyny ForWomenScot. Sheros the lot of you. Flowers

334bu · 14/04/2021 17:22

Just saw this. More neep allotmenteering

OhHolyJesus · 14/04/2021 17:14

Appeal is to go ahead!

Update on Stop the Scottish Government redefining "woman" to include men

Having spoken to our lawyers and considered the financial implications and the appetite for this case, we have decided that we will appeal the decision on the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act. Our legal team is confident that the judgement is legally challengeable.
We have already seen this law cited by lobbyists hoping to roll back women's rights, and we have seen an MP claim that she would have no issue with a “gender balanced” board made up of 50% men and 50% transwomen. The Scottish Government also take the view that men who self-identify as women, are women - and this will be the basis of future policies. Therefore, we feel we have a duty to Scottish women to continue to fight: we cannot leave this law on the statute books to the detriment of women.
We would rather we did not have to seek redress from the courts, but as the Scottish Government continues to refuse to engage with women, we have little choice. Unchallenged, we feel this would only embolden those who wish to undermine Equality Act 2010 - we understand that the Scottish Green Party are now demanding the adoption of the flawed Yogyakarta Principles into Scots Law.
A reclaiming motion was formally marked on 9th April and we will leave open our fundraiser. Thank you so much for your support thus far, we cannot do this without you.

ArabellaScott · 26/03/2021 11:56

Scotland have applied the same reasoning as the Green Party - protected characteristics are protected, but women are specifically excluded.

Thelnebriati · 26/03/2021 11:49

No, Scotland voted against including sex in their hate crime legislation.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/baroness-kennedy-urged-to-have-sex-added-to-hate-crime-bill-urgently/ar-BB1eKOkZ