For Women Scotland lose case

A few things. Firstly I am really, really, off pissed and then
Primogeniture will have been the reason why male hasn't been changed, so this shows primogeniture and class rule in Scotland (as in all the UK)

Media bias, though some might swing (the Times is your best bet) and the comments are a good place to look for the measure of support.

The Judges in the lower courts can be more 'captured'. When you get to the upper courts, they are fiercely protective of their independence (though is this the case in Scotland) and therefore the case stands a better chance.

I think you also have a problem with the SNP being for the Scots (though clearly not Scottish women) and therefore many who want to keep them in power. Not good for Scots though

Should we witches start getting our spare rooms ready

Who proposed and advised this travesty?

It was not wasted.

Imagine how much better the world would be if women didn't have to fight through courts out of their own pockets to try and protect women from a male agenda that does not care about them and their sex based needs at all, and just sees them as an annoying obstruction.

In fact imagine how much better the world would be if you could envisage looking for solutions that work for everyone instead of expressing smug victory in the suppression and oppression of women.

Have they changed the meaning of the word ‘man’ too?

This has clarified things a bit.

Now, we regroup, rethink, and go again to challenge, but better informed.

This is off the chart madness. You can change your sex by using a girly name on your gas bill.

I can't add anything to that, except my sympathy and solidarity with women in Scotland. Especially the heroic campaigners of For Women Scotland.

Funny, isn't it, that as soon as biology is legislated away, it becomes an essential part of the language.

Can't believe the ruling. Gutted

How can anyone - with any intent - think that it’s fine to change the definition of one sex but not the other? In the name of inclusivity - but only to half the population?

What a pile of shite.

So, does this mean that TMAM?

They won't need gynaecology services or contraception or maternity services or any of the sex specific health provisions?

I think I have just understood what "I can't even..." means.

*He may say thay but he also voted for the Hate Crime Bill so now they won't even be able to step up.

He also voted against women being allowed to ask for a female examiner after rape.*

Aye, I'm by no means suggesting he's someone to support, just agree with him on the absolute mess of Scottish politics right now!

Don’t worry, there are loads of women who can easily afford to keep giving to causes to make sure our rights and words aren’t whipped out from under us. You don’t have to thank us

I think they will win on appeal, every day more people wake up to the reality of what is happening & the erosion of women’s rights

In fact I think that was probably the intention - introduce it into a minor piece of 'equalities' legislation that no-one will take much notice of, and then use it as a precedent.

This is correct. The Denton's handbook instructs gender activists on how to best carry out these changes. It says gender identity changes should quietly piggyback on other popular reforms that the public wouldn't oppose. It's the only way any of this stuff gets enacted. In Ireland it was same-sex marriage.

Most people don't really have a problem with legislation to promote equal representation of women on public boards. And many wouldn't pay close attention to the Bill as it sounds very boring and dry. People will support it (or at the very least not oppose it) without realising the word woman now includes any male.

This is from FWS crowdfunding page:

Originally, the Scottish Government stated that its 50% objective would be for those who are "female or who identify as female", but after a consultation in 2017 changed this to "women". According to the Policy Memorandum, "this step was taken to ensure that the Bill reflects the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act 2010".

However, during Stage 2 of the legislative process, following representations from Scottish Trans Alliance, the definition of "woman" in the Bill was again altered to include people who have not changed their legal sex to 'female' using a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC), and exclude some people who remain female in law (those transitioning to live as men, but who do not have a GRC).

What a shocking mess Scotland is getting in.

Just done some digging. I would hate for this not to be appealed for lack of funds.

[quote ArabellaScott]This is from Willie Rennie today, leader of the Scottish Libdems. He's talking about the Salmond/Sturgeon issue, but I think there are several things that are relevant (my emphasis):

'Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie says the women who complained have been "failed".

He adds: "When they stepped up we were not there for them."

Mr Rennie adds the Conservatives were "only interested in removing Nicola Sturgeon from office rather than the facts of this terrible series of events".

He continues: "They have undermined the integrity of the independent investigator."

Mr Rennie also says that Scottish politics today "does not look pretty".

"Talk of lynching, assassination, leaking the private evidence of complaints, tabling motions of no confidence before even all the evidence had been heard, attacking a committee because it does not agree with first minister, lauding the performance of Nicola Sturgeon because she talked to a committee for over eight hours - as if the show is more important than the facts - boasting about recruiting new members on the back of this tragedy.

"No-one wins from this ugly episode."

No-one wins, but women, yet again, are the ones who get the brunt of it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-56480968[/quote]
He may say thay but he also voted for the Hate Crime Bill so now they won't even be able to step up.

He also voted against women being allowed to ask for a female examiner after rape.

As we've said from the start. If you can't see the differences and name them you can't do anything about them.

So if there's no difference, we're just all women. Fine. Whatever. We won't be needing the day of rememberance or the toolkits and the groups and banners and rainbow badges, there cannot be a specialist protected characteristic if there's no difference between TW and bog standard women. Women's provision is all that will be needed, because there is no difference between the two groups according to this judgement.

Have they redefined ‘man’ then too?

If TWAW and it's not a medical condition, and there's no need to have dysphoria or make any effort to 'transition', then - what the fuck are we all discussing?! The word is obsolete! Everything is unisex! We're all non binary, now.

Welp. You guys wasted another 100k.

Imagine how much better the world would be if you put that money into charities instead of these failed legal crowdfunders.