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For Women Scotland lose case

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PandorasMailbox · 23/03/2021 12:16

Absolutely gutted for them Sad

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1374330580473630721

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 23/03/2021 20:53

‘Operating as a woman’? I am not a fucking household appliance.

We won’t stand for this and we will support our Scottish sisters however we can.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 23/03/2021 20:40

Actually my brother name is unisex - I guess mostly a mans name but not unusual for a woman (possibly more usual for women these days actually) and has the same spelling. I should let him know...

Cattenberg · 23/03/2021 20:37

My first name is unusual and is generally assumed to be a man’s name. I occasionally receive post addressed to Mr Cattenberg. Under Scots law, am I a man or a woman? Who decides? Catalogue companies?

AngelicInnocent · 23/03/2021 20:31

So true @Waitwhat23

Waitwhat23 · 23/03/2021 20:26

In answer to why we bother, I will paraphrase a protest sign I saw -

'I do this so I can look my daughter in the face and tell her I tried'.

Thelnebriati · 23/03/2021 19:59

The only reason women need charities for life saving services is because we aren't considered fully human.

littlbrowndog · 23/03/2021 19:49

@yeahbutnaw

Welp. You guys wasted another 100k.

Imagine how much better the world would be if you put that money into charities instead of these failed legal crowdfunders.

Us women can spend our money where we want

And for what we want

Its our money

Nobody is telling me where to spend my money 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

Olderstyle1 · 23/03/2021 19:49

Schrodinger's Leslie is a perfect phrase Pear.

I am going to use it for every single through-the-looking-glass / down-the-rabbit-hole piece of DARVO abuse that women are faced with in this fight. Which means I will be using it at least daily.

Schrodinger's Leslies to the left of us, Schrodinger's Leslies to the right of us. But we battle on!

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 23/03/2021 19:35

@yeahbutnaw

Welp. You guys wasted another 100k.

Imagine how much better the world would be if you put that money into charities instead of these failed legal crowdfunders.

Because we are going to fight to keep the hard earned rights to ensure that the future generations of women will have them.

It’s a worthy cause, even if you don’t think so 🤷‍♀️

Sexnotgender · 23/03/2021 19:34

@EdgeOfACoin

So if a woman has a unisex name (say, Leslie) and is a doctor, so goes by the title Dr, how does this person live as either a woman or a man?

Is the only thing that makes Dr Leslie a woman the fact that other people refer to her as 'she' and 'her'? Literally nothing else makes Dr Leslie a woman?

And if Dr Leslie is referred to as 'he' or 'him', does that literally make Dr Leslie a man?

Just check Leslie’s payslip. If Leslie is a woman she’ll be paid less.
toffeebutterpopcorn · 23/03/2021 19:32

The First Blast of the Trumpet against the Monstrous Regiment of Women - 1558. I can’t see there’s been much improvement (although these days they could easily circumvent the issue of women only rule...)

PearPickingPorky · 23/03/2021 19:31

@EdgeOfACoin

So if a woman has a unisex name (say, Leslie) and is a doctor, so goes by the title Dr, how does this person live as either a woman or a man?

Is the only thing that makes Dr Leslie a woman the fact that other people refer to her as 'she' and 'her'? Literally nothing else makes Dr Leslie a woman?

And if Dr Leslie is referred to as 'he' or 'him', does that literally make Dr Leslie a man?

I think this would be Schrodinger's Leslie, simultaneously a man and a woman until such times as Leslie clarifies their pronouns to that particular group on that particular day.
littlbrowndog · 23/03/2021 19:25

Fucking gutted

My country hates women

They don’t care about us at all

We gone backwards

Absolutely gutted

toffeebutterpopcorn · 23/03/2021 19:03

Because.... magic.

JellySlice · 23/03/2021 19:03

@ArabellaScott

Sorry, I should clarify

'Woman' now includes males if the males want to identify into that class. But 'men' does not include women.

Why not?
EyesOpening · 23/03/2021 19:00

@EdgeOfACoin

So if a woman has a unisex name (say, Leslie) and is a doctor, so goes by the title Dr, how does this person live as either a woman or a man?

Is the only thing that makes Dr Leslie a woman the fact that other people refer to her as 'she' and 'her'? Literally nothing else makes Dr Leslie a woman?

And if Dr Leslie is referred to as 'he' or 'him', does that literally make Dr Leslie a man?

”and being described by others in written or other communication as a woman.” So if some people refer to them as a man, are they then a man (for that moment in time only?)? Are there any more laws Scotland doesn’t like, which they can’t change the wording of so they’ll decide the words have a different meaning instead so that they end up with a law that now means what they want it to?
ArabellaScott · 23/03/2021 18:48

Sorry, I should clarify

'Woman' now includes males if the males want to identify into that class. But 'men' does not include women.

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2021 18:47

How can anyone - with any intent - think that it’s fine to change the definition of one sex but not the other? In the name of inclusivity - but only to half the population?

This. 'Woman' now includes men. But 'men' does not include women.

Sexnotgender · 23/03/2021 18:41

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Even animals can tell the difference.
Yup. My greyhound is very wary around men he doesn’t know.
toffeebutterpopcorn · 23/03/2021 18:37

Even animals can tell the difference.

UppityPuppity · 23/03/2021 18:31

The judge seemed to think there is some visual and social way to "operate as a woman" or "operate as a man"

With the huge capture of organisations to prioritise TW at the expense of women, we all know that there is no such thing as operating as a woman, unless you are a woman.

Even babies know the difference.

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/03/2021 18:07

@Toseland

Have they changed the meaning of the word ‘man’ too?
Of course not.
Signalbox · 23/03/2021 18:05

It seems to me that the judge is saying that the Scottish Government have not redefined the word woman but that they have made a law that will benefit both women (by virtue of the PC of sex) and transwomen (by virtue of the PC of gender reassignment).

The judge seemed to think there is some visual and social way to "operate as a woman" or "operate as a man". She seemed to be under the impression that "gender reassignment" is an actual process that leads to a "visual and social" change. She seemed to think that there was a "stringent criteria" for "gender reassignment" to have taken place. She also made a comment about the intersection of GR and ethnicity or disability and that TW often had intersecting PCs.

Judge is clearly captured. I wonder if she has had stonewall training :)

Much was made in argument of the effect of the 2018 Act being to exclude or discriminate against biological women who are changing gender and living as men, who could not benefit from its positive action measures. That ignores the obvious point that such people are visually and socially male and so not operating as women for the purposes of the gender representation objective

Hibari · 23/03/2021 18:03

Good.

highame · 23/03/2021 17:53

Sorry should have said class and misogyny