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Teddy girls in the 1950s

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Mossleybrow · 22/03/2021 11:30

Rose Hendon remembered: "Me and my friends used to go to the Back Ace Club in the Harrow Road. They had a juke box, and we’d all meet up there for coffee. Or we’d go down the Seven Feathers Club and there’d be music and you’d do your dancing. That was where I used to go with my boyfriend Jimmy. He was one of the Teddy Boys. They were smart. And it was because of that us girls started getting that look…We started wearing turned-up drainpipe jeans. Plastic belts round them. And blouses with a wing collar. Then we added in cameo brooches, and scarf, tailored jackets with wide lapels and velvet collars, white ankle socks and flat black shoes…The thing I spent most money on was an Astrakhan coat. It was £25 . It came from Debenhams in the Harrow Road, and buying it felt just really good. I felt …glamorous." Virginia Nicholson, Perfect Wives in Ideal Homes, (2015), pp.356-357.

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samosamo · 27/03/2021 07:24

Weren't the Teddy boys a hugely racist gang that went about pulverising black immigrants abd their children in the 1950s and 1960s?

Wouldn't be copying THAT look....

MabelPines · 26/03/2021 19:31

Loving this thread !

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/03/2021 15:35

Yeah, the Capri pant was introduced in the 50’s. And women wore jeans.

Trousers were called slacks then😁

DialSquare · 26/03/2021 15:35

That's his Jean Genie!

SirVixofVixHall · 26/03/2021 15:33

Blimey Bowie’s jeans !

SirVixofVixHall · 26/03/2021 15:32

People think of the fifties as a sea of full skirts and net petticoats, all frills and bows, but it was the first decade when women really embraced trousers, and pictures of my mother in the fifties show her in beautiful mannish trousers tapering to the ankle, fitted blouses, and neat little sweaters, often hand made, with loafer type shoes. The full skirts were there in her Summer dresses and for dances.

Ormally · 26/03/2021 15:10

His mind definitely looks to be wandering...

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 18:10

How different models looked then..

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 18:01

Jeans in the 70’s probably troubled the testicles greatly!

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Ormally · 25/03/2021 16:42

"The biggest equaliser is jeans. The more freedom women achieved ( since the 50’s) the more men and women wore jeans"

Reminded me straight away of Umberto Eco's theory that jeans trouble the testicles and according to him, inhibit thought (essay called 'Lumbar Thought'.) Maybe they give some freedom, take some away, depending on your undercarriage!

GuppytheCat · 25/03/2021 15:53

Oh wow.

My mother in law (as she tells us not more than about twice a week) was a model in London in about 1956. I need to show her this!

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 15:38

Model training school in 1955

Model school in 1964

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 15:16

I’ve noticed recently (well for the last few years) tops being tucked in and a bigger emphasis on a female shape. Line the waist has returned.

This may be interesting in the future as so many women are losing jobs/doing childcare. And lo, the waist has reappeared as women are being forced out of work. Interesting co-incidence..🤔

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 14:55

That’s so interesting!

My friend’s mum was a Beatnik. She used to iron her hair straight and walk down the street in bare feet. Apparently her grandma was horrified.

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 14:48

In her autobiography "Promise of A Dream: Rembering the Sixties" the socialist feminist Sheila Rowbotham, who was middle-class from Leeds, often mentions what she wearing. In 1960 she hang out with her friends in Leeds coffee bars, imagining they were really on the Left Bank in Paris "Bar introduced the newly fashionable brown make-up, Lindsay acquired pair of black stockings and i grew my hair, swelling with pride when shopkeepeers enquired "You an art student?'... She went to Paris for a few months and went on a date " I got dressed up in my smart beatnik outfit: high heels, black stockings, C&A tight black jumper over a dark, pleated skirt in muted greys and blues."...She went to St Hilda's college, Oxford in 1961, packing her antique washed Levis and shift dress with muddy gold and wine stripes bought in Bon Marche, her hair was now long and completely straight. A couple of yeats later she scuttled around Oxford in her "denim outfits with a short black belted shiny mac - though still in the Leeds stilettos". After college she moved to Hackney in 1964. "Working-class women of my age still sported elaborate beehive hairdos...but the teenage girls hair was now straight and they wore dark-coloured three-quarter-length leather jackets made in the local East End sweat shops." Sheila did some teaching locally : The East End girls...in their brightly coloured sling-back coats and perms, patiently set about teaching me to teach." By 1966 a friend would " survey my 'Swinging London' Chelsea clothes and call me 'the bird'." Sheila revelled in the "fast moving fashion of boutiques like Biba or Bazaar. The sharp zigzags of Op Art were being quickly superseded by the flowing lines inspired by Aubrey Beardsley and the vampish boas of the early silent movies. Young designers dived into the past like raiders searching for lost wrecks of spoil and their time-travelling motifs overlaid the early-sixties quest for an obscured bedrock of truth." By 1967 she was a hippie, but it soon palled:"..I found the hippie camp too confining...what I wanted was fluidity and being able to move between worlds. So I bought my bits of velvet and lace on the King's Road and then went off to Chelsea Girl on Dalston Lane and tried on mass-market compromises." www.versobooks.com/books/3012-promise-of-a-dream

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 14:34

Dark colours are passive. We are in a passive situation. Also, agsin bright colours happen in bright times.

Those lovely colours are from 1924 which was the postwar boom. Also dark colours are colours used in winter. Brighter colours appear in summer.

But the obsession with black started way back with Chanel’s LBD. And it’s viewed as sophisticated.

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 13:46

Going into manchester today and thnking now almost everyone dresses in dark colours..what has happened.? With the invention of artificial dyes for clothing there was an explosion of colour...

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DialSquare · 25/03/2021 13:14

That's a lovely post Mossley. It almost takes you there just reading it. And I've never been to Blackpool!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 13:04

I know lovely isn’t it!

In the Jane Austen period , women used to cut their hair short and messy and wear a red ribbon round their neck to symbolise the guillotine . The look was called ‘La Revolution’

WelcomeMarch · 25/03/2021 12:59

Loved that!
(Arse, mouse skin eyebrows? Good gracious.)

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/03/2021 12:57

Thank you for telling us about Madeline Linford - that was such a delightful post to read.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 08:53

Mossleybrow lovely post. Really interesting.

Yes forgot about powder and patch. They used to use false eyebrows too made of mouse skin🤮

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 08:49

I am working on the journalism of Madeline Linford, the first woman on the staff of the Manchester Guardian.

( madelinelinford.wordpress.com ) This is her article on "The Holiday Clothes of Lancashire: Whit-Week Fashions " published on 10th June 1922)

Blackpool, Friday

The other day, in a Manchester tram, the writer of this article heard one woman say to another : “There isn’t anywhere in the world as picturesque as Blackpool. Eh, it’s a lovely place!” As she spoke there arose a mental vision of the Alps bowing their proud white heads, of Avignon and Terminus and Clovelly crumbling into dust because another had arisen greater than they.

In plain fact Blackpool is an ugly place. It is obviously lovable, but apart from its sea and the golden wine of its air has no claims at all to beauty. It is a town of flatness and right angles, of hard reds and drab greys, without a trace of graciousness or mystery to soften and smudge it. There is no seaside resort in England that sets less store on aesthetic appeal.

This week Blackpool looks its best. By June the coats of new paint acquired during the winter have not had time to fade, and there is still a hint of reserve in the mist and sunshine. Nobody is as yet blatantly sunburnt, and the pretty new fashions have not yet lost their first effectiveness. In another month or so the wrong people will have seized them and distorted them into caricatures. Just now they are still fresh, and a little surprising.

All along the front and the North Pier new clothes are being displayed. Whit-week to Lancashire folk means what Easter Sunday does to people of other countries; it is the time for a general restocking of the wardrobe. To buy new garments and air them at Blackpool is to obey the tradition that also insists on parkin at Hallow-e’en and stodgy cakes in the middle of Lent. Consequently the town this week has something of the look of an ugly garden riotously invaded by spring.

The most noticeable thing the Whitsuntide fashions is that they are very much prettier than those of last summer. Then the correct wear was a skimpy cretonne frock of very vivid colours and a hideously hard Lenglen bandean to match. This year cretonne is not worn , and much that was unbecoming and in bad taste has gone with it. It is rather surprising to find that the possibilities of cotton foulard have not been discovered yet. The only people wearing it here are a few children, whom it does not suit at all. It is a musly material, very cheap, and looking so.

Emphatically, the material of the early summer is ratine. Blackpool is full of it. And because it is apparently only made in simple designs and good colours the effect is distinctly pleasant. Probably the majority of the frocks have cost barely twenty shillings each, and are of the slip-on style , which needs a minimum of stuff. But while they are new, as they are this week, they are both pretty and comfortable. By the August wakes their faults of shrinking and fading will have come to the fore and their popularity have waned a little. Just now they are very much in favour, and certainly in the prevailing cool and tones of striped beiges and pinks and greys they have every good quality.

Next to popularity, a long way behind, some materials of the zephyrs type. These are cooler than ratine and more durable, but because they are not new Blackpool does not care much for them. They, too, are cheap and only made in good colours. The few one noticed looked extremely nice. Only one girl was seen wearing a new Shetland wool frock, and she was not quite slim enough to look really well in it. Nearly all the hats are of the Panama persuasion if not the actual thing, and the correct wrap seems to be a white blanket coat. The season’s shoes are fantastic and generally ugly.

Two of the eccentricities of Lancashire women are obvious this week. One is their reluctance to leave any good thing in seclusion. It is extraordinary how hard some people find it to put away their furs in moth powder and leave them until the autumn. Here in Blackpool it is very common to see a girl in a short-sleeved cotton frock, white shoes and stockings and a shady hat , and with the heavy skin of a fox slung across her shoulders. On a day when even to carry a handkerchief seemed an intolerable burden scores of women paced the North Pier through the blazing hours of noon with the symbols of December weighing down their June.

Another characteristic of Lancashire clothes is the “After Blackpool comes Wigan” look about them. Londoners chose their holiday garments for Brighton or Southend without thought of the morrow. In the North people remember that while Blackpool lasts a week Manchester and Oldham go on more or less for ever. We are so used to consideration of “showing the dirt” that we fear to buy fragility. Thus Blackpool sees very few white frocks, even on children, though white, because it cannot fade, is certainly the best choice for seaside wear. But white would be little use when Whit-week is over, so it is discouraged.

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WelcomeMarch · 25/03/2021 08:42

1920s...Men wore make up for first time

I know very little about historical fashions, but what about the ‘powder and patch’ era? Was that only in France?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 08:32

It’s just History of Fashion.

People think it’s just about clothes. But it isn’t. It’s about history, anthropology and decoding. Sometimes people sneer because it’s about clothes.

But the clothes are just a side issue, it’s the messages they deliver that count. Yeah, they all love learning it!

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