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Open letter from FPFW to Execs and CEOs: You’re being taken for a ride

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Leafstamp · 21/03/2021 19:19

This is worth a read if you haven’t already seen it:

fairplayforwomen.com/open-letter-to-trustees-and-chief-executives-youre-being-taken-for-a-ride/

I do hope that organisations are taking heed.

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 21/03/2021 20:26

@ValancyRedfern

I agree with every word of the letter but I don't think it will convince those not in the know. E. G. The word transactivist is used in a pejorative way, but to your average Stonewall Champion organisation, or any organisation that hasn't thought much about the issues beyond 'be kind', a transactivist is a positive term.
I try to read everything from the perspective of those who are captured and those who don't know anything about the arguments and I do feel using language like this can be alienating to those who aren't across the situation. That's why I think approaching it from a legal liability perspective might be even more effective.
gardenbird48 · 21/03/2021 20:21

It occurred to me reading about the ONS debacle, that if the govt are involving themselves in situations where it seems to be a fully accepted thing that democracy and standard expectations must be abandoned as just too stressful for some, then there have to be some urgent and publicly visible statistics on this.

exactly. It amazes me that Stonewall managed to swing a private meeting (with a 'support' phone call offered to iron out any further potential problems - whatever they could have possibly been Hmm) with the ONS to discuss an issue that clearly needed to be discussed openly with all stakeholders including some actual statisticians who were begging for the Sex question not to be messed about with.

The fact that on the grounds of some unspecified 'safety' issue, they were able to present their ideas unopposed and ultimately get them waved through just boggles my mind.

The ONS is looking pretty stupid right now.

ValancyRedfern · 21/03/2021 20:19

I agree with every word of the letter but I don't think it will convince those not in the know. E. G. The word transactivist is used in a pejorative way, but to your average Stonewall Champion organisation, or any organisation that hasn't thought much about the issues beyond 'be kind', a transactivist is a positive term.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/03/2021 20:14

@Biscuitsanddoombar

This is an excellent letter. You would think with the way that court cases are being lost, that senior managers and boards would be taking legal advice

Unfortunately the legal firms that advise big businesses and government in the UK are already stonewall champions....

Michelle's summary cuts to the heart of the matter.

For me the letter is effective if readers are familiar with the backstory - I don't know how much much people will understand if they don't already know the landscape.

There is an interesting risk that should an organisation decide to consult for advice (as due diligence against reputational harm) then all of the relevant advice will be made by people who are from organisations that have signed up (literally) to be champions for the perspective that is being questioned.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 21/03/2021 20:09

This is an excellent letter. You would think with the way that court cases are being lost, that senior managers and boards would be taking legal advice

Unfortunately the legal firms that advise big businesses and government in the UK are already stonewall champions....

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/03/2021 19:51

Excellent letter, hard to argue with much there - apart from the view that Stonewall are experts on and represent LGBT people, which as an L person I'd personally like to argue with.

It occurred to me reading about the ONS debacle, that if the govt are involving themselves in situations where it seems to be a fully accepted thing that democracy and standard expectations must be abandoned as just too stressful for some, then there have to be some urgent and publicly visible statistics on this.

Is this going to be universally applied to all groups, that if any group may be voice feeling stressed that democratic debate and process should not take place? Because I don't see that working for women.

If this is going to be applied selectively on the grounds of a group's exceptional vulnerability, then that vulnerability needs to be very robustly and thoroughly evidenced via proper and open process.

And even if it is robustly evidenced, it would then need to be very thoroughly unpacked as to how just avoiding democratic process is the only and least harmful action to take, considering the unprecedented and extremely unfair disadvantage this accords to much larger populations. And why other less radical strategies to address this cannot be considered instead.

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 21/03/2021 19:29

Lots of great content in that letter. Hopefully it will open some eyes. I might have started with the threat of future legal action (which is genuine and probably not that far off for some) to hit home to time poor CEOs, but otherwise 👍

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