Trans athletes in women's sports speak out - RT documentary

Give them an inch and they take a mile. Women need to be saying that transwomen are men across the board, in every respect.

They can call themselves "trans women" if they like. They can't call themselves women.

We're in this position because we've let too much slide. It will be hard to gain back what we've lost now.

What Rachel McKinnen said at the end is a really sad observation. Majority of society seems happy to parrot the TWAW line apart from when it comes to sports. But why is that? Surely women’s safety and right to privacy is more important. Women in prisons and hospital should have their own single sex spaces. It seems men care more about the fairness in sports than women’s safety.

Lying to maintain/ grab power is one of the oldest strategies in politics. I mean look at the current UK PM ffs, weasel words are his MO.

TRAs lie. The more I read the more I see the blatant lies. I can't believe they get away with it. That cyclist who came second and said she was fine with it is the type of woman who is going to make this fight very hard for us.

@Babdoc we need more doctors like you.

I’m a doctor, and I’m so damn sick of people banging on about lowering testosterone levels. It wouldn’t help even if you lowered them to zero. That would not shrink a man’s shoulder girdle, broaden his pelvis, shorten his femurs, lower his centre of gravity, reduce his cardiac output, oxygen carrying capacity, lung volume, fast twitch muscle fibre proportion, etc etc. He would still have a massive unfair advantage over every female athlete, and should be banned from women’s competitions, whatever he identifies as

Hear bloody hear!

I find it baffling that we even have to justify why men can't be in women's competition.

Sporting competitions are split by sex. Some are also differentiated by age, disability, weight and ranking.

Why the hell did anyone decide you know what let's chuck away the sex split and replace it with a gender split. Why do we even have to argue the point?

I am particularly aggrieved that such a huge change to women's classificiation was made without public debate! So here we are arguing about it AFTER a rule change.

I feel a future campaign coming on about major organisations not being allowed to randomly and secretly change basic definitions like this. Maybe it would form part of a transparency and integrity measure.

I’m a doctor, and I’m so damn sick of people banging on about lowering testosterone levels.
It wouldn’t help even if you lowered them to zero. That would not shrink a man’s shoulder girdle, broaden his pelvis, shorten his femurs, lower his centre of gravity, reduce his cardiac output, oxygen carrying capacity, lung volume, fast twitch muscle fibre proportion, etc etc. He would still have a massive unfair advantage over every female athlete, and should be banned from women’s competitions, whatever he identifies as.

One of the interviewees who self described as queer and fluid and competes in women’s powerlifting stated that a separate category wouldn’t be welcomed because it would be a denial of status as a woman. That would be hurtful.

Indeed. And JC explains that their queer identity means that they can completely self define their sexuality AND gender on a fluid basis which could change from day to day and rejects ‘your boxes’ (labelling).

Except when they want to enter the women’s powerlifting competition- then they consistently choose the ‘woman’ box.

Why does JC in their apparent constantly fluid gender never have ‘man’ days for competing?

Even if it were a human right to play sport, nobody is stopping them. They can run, jump, lift, cycle, anything they want, individually or on the men’s team. Just not with, and against, women.

"It's a human right to compete in sport"

Same old tired trope.

And it didn’t point out that McK has recently said (correct me if I am wrong) that it doesn’t matter that there IS residual advantage, the mental health impacts outweigh the harm to women. Obviously my paraphrasing but I think that was the gist.

I work on the basis that women just aren't actual real people to them. They're just supporting actors in their on going story of meeeeeeeeee

and yes no one has to declare their sexuality to compete ffs just their sex

"I identify as queer so my sexuality is whatever I say it is whenever I say it is. It's different in sport though because I have to declare it"
I highly doubt you have to declare your sexuality. You have to declare your sex though. Convenient that you chose to stick as "woman" for that, isn't it?

"It's a human right to compete in sport"
I did a double take and had to look this up. It is not a human right.

"Assaults on women in women's spaces by people identifying as trans just don't happen"
Yes, they do.

Honestly, I'd laugh if it wasn't so utterly disrespectful to women.

This testosterone level thing is such a furphy. Female weightlifters and powerlifters who take PEDs get very strong, but even the strongest don’t out lift the strongest men.

Anecdotal example. I had a male friend who was basically my age and height. So below average height for a man, even though I’m above average height for a woman.

He discovered that he had really, really low testosterone levels and needed to supplement them. Even before the supplements he was way stronger than I am. His strength advantage didn't disappear with his testosterone - because he still had all the other advantages of a male body.

Perhaps a young boy who starts on puberty blockers prior to puberty and goes straight on to female sex hormones might not have all those advantages, although they’d still have some.

I’d suspect though, that such a boy would have a range of health issues, physical, mental and neurological, which would preclude them from sport at any advanced level.

I did notice that RT chose the answers well. And yes, the women were very clear.

To me it parallels the quotes from that video that was posted the other day with Joppe the transgirl. Making the statement about how maybe some younger girls have a problem with them in their toilets, ‘but what can they do? Nothing!’

These are own goals for showing the attitudes that are there on display. The sense of entitlement.

What is strange is that male socialisation or certain personality types just cannot see what is clear once you start seeing the pattern. So they don’t seem to notice it watching it.

You know why the focus is on transwomen in sport, don't you Veronica. It's patently obvious watching this.

This will be resolved eventually. The issue is by the time its resolved many women and girls will have missed out on the opportunity to train and womens sports will have lost a number of decades.

I see this taking a decade to come to a head. By which point we have lost 2 decades of top level training for girls, and will require another decade or 2 to bridge the gap.

Shame on the IOC and governments which allow this.

See you in 2060

It's so obvious. Sports are segregated on sex, not gender identity, because that's fair. Why on earth would they be separated on 'identity'?

It's the transmen I feel for. Transwomen can compete against other males. Transmen would have an unfair advantage against other females because of the hormones they take, but they're unlikely to be competitive against males. They're in a difficult place.

Yes, weird that transmen never seem to beat men at weight lifting?

It's like there are biological differences which may give an advantage in sport:

Gabbi Tuft (retired wrestler) 1.96m- 1 in 296 males are taller and 1 in 1073000 females are taller.
Elliott page 153cm - 1 in 987 males are shorter, 1 in 10 females are shorter

I did wonder though, if there is anything that Dr Mck could have done to access that top notch male coaching which is denied to women.

I also noticed that Dr McK mentioned that it is transwomen who are questioned in women’s sport and that transmen don’t get any of that sort of criticism in men’s sport, due to their privilege I guess, can’t think of any other reason.

That was very cleverly done.

Let RMK and Jaycee speak their own words, make their own case. All while showing them moving around in the world amongst women. No words need be said. Everyone sees it.

The women said less but what they said was powerful. Not much needed to be said. It was obvious.

Russia is shit stirring no doubt about it but talk about making it easy for them! They didn't have to twist a thing. All they had to do was hold up a mirror. They must be laughing themselves silly in the Kremlin. Trump goes and Biden immediately mandates belief in TWAW. You couldn't make it up. America seems determined to set its own hair on fire.

Yup, buzzcuts make women look like men,
every time

Yes because women with short hair look just like men.....

It wasn't the short hair that made RM/VI look like a man....

RM/VI says that it was her short hair that made people say she didn't look like a woman on the podium. Um, ok then.