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The time: how do we stop men harming women?

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 21/03/2021 10:43

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Full text on the wpuk Facebook page.

Obviously there's been a lot of people asking this question recently, including a slow moving thread on dad's net atm. But without any real answers it usually just seems to get sidetracked into "how can men help women feel safer?". And whilst I appreciate men taking care whilst walking behind us to not make us feel followed or afraid, and committing to not actually assaulting us themselves, it doesn't really solve the big problems.

I thought this article was an interesting summary of the different ways of thinking about male violence and the relative successes of the different rehabilitation programs for violent male criminals.

The stat on 90% of boys viewing porn online by age 13 scared the shit out of me. I have a 4 year old son and a 2 year old daughter and honestly I just feel sick almost constantly.

Anyway, one thing the article mentions is that the most commonly used rehab programme, the "duluth model", which is founded in feminist theory of patriarchal male behaviour, is less effective than other programmes which are based around building a therapeutic community. I thought it might be interesting to learn a bit more about the different models, the theory behind them and their effectiveness.

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:28

It was you who brought up alcohol.

And not drinking alcohol does not make a person a religious extremist.

You haven't answered the questions again.

JohannaC · 22/03/2021 03:19

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:19

What are your views on how the met handled warboys, Reid?

What happened with the sapphire unit?

I mean all this stuff about evolution, castration and Pitbulls is all well and good but you're not really answering the questions directly.

NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:15

So stuff like

Trying to change attitudes in society
The authorities (police CPS etc) taking stuff seriously
Tackling 'low level' crimes
Etc etc

Is a no from you?

If it's essentially impossible without sci fi non solutions, how do you explain the difference in levels of VAWG around the world?

JohannaC · 22/03/2021 03:10

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:06

Or at least reducing it.

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:05

So what's your solution?

You have mentioned castration, delinquents, Pitbulls etc.

Banning alcohol in the UK is pretty unlikely.

So what are your thoughts on reducing VAWG?

NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:03

You never answered the question about 'delinquent' teens and knife crime.

JohannaC · 22/03/2021 03:02

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 03:01

Ban booze?

What do the stats look like in areas where alcohol is not allowed due to religion?

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:59

Most alcoholics and people with MH issues are not violent abusers.

Waiting for evolution (?) seems rather a long way off...

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:56

So your suggestion to reduce VAWG is.. ?

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:50

Relationship breakdown is not a MH issue.

Nor is being drunk.

Loads of people have relationships break down/ drink too much/ have addictions/ have MH issues and don't become violent.

NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:48

How do you mean you were joking maybe?

Unfortunately men who are chemically castrated can and do continue offending. The level of violence can increase as well.

JohannaC · 22/03/2021 02:41

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NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:39

'For example, think of those delinquent teenagers who hang around outside the shop drinking and taking drugs that you usually give a wide berth. They might attack a woman tomorrow when she gives them some shit back. How do we stop this?'

Boys and girls both drink and take drugs and hang around. Although much less than when I was young.

If you're talking about gangs then young men are far more likely to be attacked. Knife crime is a major issue. You don't think anything can be done about this?

The use of the word delinquents is interesting. Not heard that for years!

NiceGerbil · 22/03/2021 02:36

Are you implying that VAWG is a result of MH issues? Or that's a factor large enough to mention?

Castration? Eh? You're the first person to mention this. You think some feminists think all men on the planet should be castrated? Really?

JohannaC · 22/03/2021 02:34

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 02:05

Nailed it Gerbil. That is the sad truth.