Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems

Baby Shark. (The moves, not the words).

ErrolTheDragon

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat

I wonder if PP are familiar with country music as a genre?Everyoneis an alcoholic cheat if the songs are to be believed

Aren't some of them just sad because their dawg has died?

Not funny, not clever but carry on if you want to show up your embarrassing ignorance of a genre encompassing manystylesand subgenres , originating from thefolk musicofworking class Americansandblue-collarAmerican life and having roots inCeltic music,early music of the British Isles,French folk music,African-American music, and othertraditional folk musictraditions.

Oh and a genre in which women actually do extremely well, frequently working collaboratively with other women. And oddly whilst managing to be fully clothed unlike say the the likes of Nicki Minaj, Megan Thee Stallion.

On the flip side I've always loved Let 'Er Rip by The Chicks (formerly the Dixie Chicks) trying to get a bloke to just say goodbye and leave already!

I can tell there's something you
Don't wanna tell me
It's killing you cause the words
Are hard to find
I know you want to break it to me gently
Well sweet baby say what's on your mind
Let 'er rip, Let it fly
Come on baby say it do you think
I'm gonna cry
I ain't about to bawl and I ain't gonna die
So if you're gonna say goodbye
Don't take all day and night
Let 'er rip Let it fly
Why the drama, we don't have to drag
Out this situation
It wasn't you, it wasn't me, sometimes
The chemistry don't ignite
There ain't no rings, no morgage, there ain't any complications
It's just a hyphenated word, get it out and
I'm sure I'll be all right
Let 'er rip, Let it fly
Come on baby say it, do you think
I'm gonna cry
Ain't about to bawl, and I ain't gonna die
So if you're gonna say goodbye
Don't take all day and night
Let 'er rip, Let it fly
It ain't no big deal, ain't no great loss
You and I are on the same train of thought
So you don't have to tell me where to get off
Maybe I misunderstood you
But if you're leaving baby would you
Let 'er rip, let it fly
Come on baby say it, do you think
I'm gonna cry
I ain't about to bawl, and I ain't gonna die
So if you're gonna say goodbye
Don't take all day and night
Let 'er rip, let it fly
So, if you're gonna say goodbye
Don't take all day and night
Let 'er rip, let it fly

Some country songs just make you laugh, though.

Put another log on the fire
Cook me up some bacon and some beans
And go out to the car and change the tyre
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe
And then go fetch my slippers
And boil me up another pot of tea
Then put another log on the fire, babe
And come and tell me why you're leaving me

Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday?
Don't I warn you when you're gettin fat?
Ain't I a-gonna take you fishin' with me someday?
Well, a man can't love a woman more than that
Ain't I always nice to your kid sister?
Don't I take her driving every night?
So, sit here at my feet 'cos I like you when you're sweet
And you know it ain't feminine to fight

So, put another log on the fire
Cook me up some bacon and some beans
Go out to the car and lift it up and change the tyre
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe
And then go fetch my slippers
And boil me up another pot of tea
Then put another log on the fire, babe
And come and tell me why you're leaving me

I feel exactly like that and many other musicals with fabulous songs (Carousel) and many memories that I share with my family.

My friends and I watched My Fair Lady last year. We couldn't believe what an asshole Henry Higgins was.

One that made me think was from an album of my mother's, By the Time I Get to Phoenix by Eydie Gormet, a LTB ballad, wondered why my mom didn't. (Was still in elementary school, didn't realize there were things like finances to deal with...)

I have only ever heard Glenn Campbell's versions. I just googled and I like her version. I only know her from American talk shows and the occasional appearance with her husband, Steve Lawrence on Carol Burnett.

You don't need announce that you're not engaging

Thanks for that. However, I announce it as a courtesy to the individual so that if further comments are directed at me I’m not rude in not replying. How about you let me decide for myself what I do or do not say.

Well, if my boss sacked me and hired someone else in my place, my ire should not be targeted at the new recruit!

But if you were coasting in your job, and some recruiter came along and tried to lure you away with promises of sign on bonuses, there's plenty of jobs where the boss might have a word with the recruiter!

"isn't it fair enough to worry that someone who's specifically targetting him might be successful? Is that really the sexist trope of any man follows his penis? Isn't it more like being poached from a job?"

Well, if my boss sacked me and hired someone else in my place, my ire should not be targeted at the new recruit!

Shania Twain
Feel like a Woman.
As if dressing like a (tasted up parody) of s woman is all it takes to be a Woman.

And if you Feel like a Woman, you must be one. Right?
Wrong on so many levels.

I hate the cheesiness of it as well.

"I don't really understand why you're treating the song as if it's intended as a kind of moral lecturer to women on how they should behave if they're worried their husband might cheat, and not simply an expression of a particular set of circumstances from Dolly Parton's life experience that she thought might connect with listeners."

I'm not. I'm talking about that song. DP is blaming her DH's roving eye on the potential other woman in that song.
You could make the same argument about any of the songs here.

Yes.

Have we had "don't stand so close to me" yet?

I wonder if PP are familiar with country music as a genre? Everyone is an alcoholic cheat if the songs are to be believed.

Yes, but once DP has persuaded Jolene to leave her man alone, she'll have to go through every woman in town, constantly worrying. Better to have a faithful husband don't you think?

I don't really understand why you're treating the song as if it's intended as a kind of moral lecturer to women on how they should behave if they're worried their husband might cheat, and not simply an expression of a particular set of circumstances from Dolly Parton's life experience that she thought might connect with listeners.

Yes, but once DP has persuaded Jolene to leave her man alone, she'll have to go through every woman in town, constantly worrying. Better to have a faithful husband don't you think?

She wasn't worrying before, it's a small town, she knows everyone.

And yes, a faithful husband would be better, but the reality of small town (or village - I grew up in a village) life is that you don't have the same choices as people in other places.

It's a woman begging another woman not to take her man away i.e. women tempt men, they don't do anything.
No, the trope that men are powerless against women's charms is old fashioned sexism

Again though, if you've grown up in a small town, married the person you were expected to, if your livelihood is dependant on that man, as it would be, but you know it's not a marriage based on anything but basically convenience/availability at the time, isn't it fair enough to worry that someone who's specifically targetting him might be successful? Is that really the sexist trope of any man follows his penis? Isn't it more like being poached from a job?

I look at the song from the small town poverty perspective that I would think DP comes from. Not from a middle class, free choices for everyone viewpoint that I might personally have the luxury of having

Better to have a faithful husband don't you think?

you ever found one of those?

"A woman begging another woman not to toy with her life?"

It's a woman begging another woman not to take her man away i.e. women tempt men, they don't do anything.

"I suppose it could be mysandrist - since it's assumed the man will be powerless against Jolene's charms?"

No, the trope that men are powerless against women's charms is old fashioned sexism, not misandrist at all. It's the idea that men's sexuality is so strong that they could never say no, so it's up to women to police men's behaviour.

"an exciting, beautiful woman who's arrived looking for some fun, without thinking about the devastation she'd leave behind"

It wouldn't be the single woman's fault if the married man wanted to have an affair FFS!

"A determined woman could easily turn a man's head in that situation I think. (or vice versa)"

Yes, but once DP has persuaded Jolene to leave her man alone, she'll have to go through every woman in town, constantly worrying. Better to have a faithful husband don't you think?

Jolene is heartbreaking, but I can't see it as anti-feminist? A woman begging another woman not to toy with her life?

I suppose it could be mysandrist - since it's assumed the man will be powerless against Jolene's charms? But TBH I see that as more realistic, given the story of a woman, presumably married to a man in a small town, possibly as a best choice rather than a totally free choice for both of them, and an exciting, beautiful woman who's arrived looking for some fun, without thinking about the devastation she'd leave behind. A determined woman could easily turn a man's head in that situation I think. (or vice versa)

Jolene isn’t about alcohol...

Fix you is about Gwyneth Paltrow’s dad dying though.

Jolene is about alcohol

Not according to Dolly! The name came from a little girl who asked for an autograph, and the story came from a bank teller who had a crush on Dolly’s husband.