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Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2021 20:14

Just to say this is a light-hearted chat thread.
I love jolene, sing it with a minor adaptation every time I'm cleaning the windows. I have no idea about the background, but it must come near the top of the least feminist songs ever!
Another which I've just heard is sheryl crow, strong enough. "lie to me, I promise I'll believe, lie to me, but please don't leave"
Brilliant song, awful lyrics :)
Any others?

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Lampzade · 21/03/2021 08:43

@sleveen

There's one that goes something like 'push it, push it baby some more'.

Now THAT I hate.

‘Push it’- By female rap group ‘Salt and Pepper’ I don’t actually think that this song is anti feminist. The words are a bit crude, I agree It’s meant to be about women not putting up with crap sex. I actually think that it could be deemed a pro feminist song. It’s about women confident in their sexuality.

One of the lines is
Can you see the music pumping hard like I wish you would?

Lampzade · 21/03/2021 08:33

Also Dreamgirls song ‘And I am telling You’

picknmix1984 · 21/03/2021 08:32

It's got to be 'you know you want it?' Surely?

WarOnWomen · 21/03/2021 08:31

Phil Collins - Easy Lover

All that she wants - ace of base.

Scout2016 · 21/03/2021 08:30

Following by The Bangles is beautiful but lyrically this relationship is highly dysfunctional:

You think I'm crazy or something
Always following you around
You say I'm a hopeless case
Run an obsession into the ground
You call me a loser
You call me a shadowing fool
Look over your shoulder
And you say I'm haunting you

So, why do you call me?
Why do you look for me?
Why do your eyes follow me the way they do?

You hold me responsible
Yes, so I stand accused
Of causing all the trouble after highschool
Between him and you
Yeah, you call me a loser
You call me a shadowing fool
But I was a good girl
Yeah, till you taught me
What it means to be true

ErrolTheDragon · 21/03/2021 08:29

Here's the new version from DP I mentioned earlier

Covid-19: Dolly Parton marks vaccination with Jolene rewrite www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56261397

storminasnowglobe · 21/03/2021 08:28

I really don't like Ariana Grande's song "Positions" where the chorus lyrics are:

"Switchin' the positions for you
Cookin' in the kitchen and I'm in the bedroom,
I'm in the Olympics, way I'm jumpin' through hoops...know my love infinite, nothing I wouldn't do..."

Now, maybe I'm misinterpreting the lyrics or I haven't understood the true "meaning" of the song, and I really hope that in 1951 2021 this is actually the case, but regardless of overall interpretation it remains the case that "kitchen" and "bedroom" and "nothing I wouldn't do" are the key lyrics that stand out to me (and probably to the listening public at large). Sexy voice, breathily singing about doing anything in the kitchen and the bedroom to please her man Confused

StealthPolarBear · 21/03/2021 08:25

@PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat

I’m reminded of this:
:o I also sing it when putting germolene on my cracked hands
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RickiTarr · 21/03/2021 08:24

You’re welcome Smile

Lampzade · 21/03/2021 08:22

@MoiraNotRuby

A lot of Stormzy - very catchy but awful towards women. 'Finish with a facial just to top it off' and I don't think he means a mumsnet spa day Envy
Ha ha
Lampzade · 21/03/2021 08:22

A heard a song by a 90’s group called 702.
‘Where’s my Girls at’?
It’s about a young woman whose boyfriend has cheated on her with the OW. So she decides to confront OW.
I like the musical arrangement of the song , but I cannot stand its premise

MoiraNotRuby · 21/03/2021 08:22

A lot of Stormzy - very catchy but awful towards women. 'Finish with a facial just to top it off' and I don't think he means a mumsnet spa day Envy

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 21/03/2021 08:20

I’m reminded of this:

Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems
StealthPolarBear · 21/03/2021 08:20

Never thought about the lyrics to Father figure but you're right, they're incredibly dodgy.

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newyearnewname123 · 21/03/2021 08:19

I think that was the initial point of this thread, songs that "work" but don't bear analysis.

StealthPolarBear · 21/03/2021 08:18

@RickiTarr

Don’t leave them smeary just because you can?
See this is why I'll never have a creative job! I have literally been thinking of a good next line for years (restricted to when cleaning windows). I will use this, thank you.
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LunaNorth · 21/03/2021 08:17

Am I the only one who finds that Bruce Springsteen song really fucking sexy, rather than creepy?

Blush
dementedma · 21/03/2021 08:17

Hang on in there by Johnny Bristol. I actually have to turn the radio off.

Bluntness100 · 21/03/2021 08:16

And this,,,

Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?
Did he go and leave you all alone?
I got a bad desire
Oh-oh-oh, I'm on fire

Tell me now, baby, is he good to you?
And can he do to you the things that I do? Oh, no
I can take you higher
Oh-oh-oh, I'm on fire

Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby, edgy and dull
And cut a six-inch valley through the middle of my skull
At night I wake up with the sheets soaking wet
And a freight train running through the middle of my head
Only you can cool my desire

felulageller · 21/03/2021 08:16

Sweat
Song by Inner Circle

I've been watching you
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Come on
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Standing across the room I saw you smile
I said I want to talk to you for a little while
But before I make my move my emotions start running wild
My tongue gets tied and that's no lie
I'm looking in your eyes
I'm looking in your big brown eyes (Ooh yeah)
(And I've got this to say to you)
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it some more
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it
Push it push it some more
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Come on
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
So I say to myself if she loves me or not
But the dread are known that love is his to get
And with a little bit of this and a little bit of that
The lyrics goes on the attack
My tongue gets tied
And that's no lie
I'm looking in your eyes
I'm looking in your big brown eyes (Oh girl)
(And I've got this to say to you)
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it some more
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it
Push it push it some more
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Oh yeah
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
One more time
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Sing it
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long eh
Eyes, I'm looking in your big brown eyes (Oh yeah)
(And I've got this to say to you)
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it some more
Girl I want to make you sweat
Sweat 'til you can't sweat no more
And if you cry out I'm gonna push it
Push it push it some more
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long eh
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Push it push it some more
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Alright
A la la la la long
A la la la la long long li long long long
Push it push it some more

Sweat is a song by the Jamaican reggae fusion group Inner Circle. It was released in 1992 as the lead single from their album, Bad to the Bone.

Bluntness100 · 21/03/2021 08:14

Well I guess in that creepy vein...

You're so hot, teasing me
So you're blue but I can't take a chance on a chick like you
That's something I couldn't do
There's that look in your eyes
I can read in your face that your feelings are driving you wild
Ah, but girl you're only a child
Well, I can dance with you honey
If you think it's funny
Does your mother know that you're out
And I can chat with you baby
Flirt a little maybe
Does your mother know that you're out
Take it easy (Take it easy)
Better slow down girl
That's no way to go
Does your mother know
Take it easy (Take it easy)
Try to cool it girl
Take it nice and slow
Does your mother know
I can see what you want
But you seem pretty young to be searching for that kind of fun
So maybe I'm not the one
Now you're so cute, I like your style
And I know what you mean when you
Give me a flash of that smile (Smile)
But girl you're only a child
Well, I can dance with you honey
If you think it's funny
Does your mother know that you're out
And I can chat with you baby
Flirt a little maybe
Does your mother know that you're out
Take it easy (Take it easy)
Better slow down girl
That's no way to go
Does your mother know
Take it easy (Take it easy)
Try to cool it girl
Take it nice and slow
Does your mother know
Well, I can dance with you honey
If you think it's funny
Does your mother know that you're out
And I can chat with you baby
Flirt a little maybe
Does your mother know that you're out
Well, I can dance with you honey
If you think it's funny
Does your mother know that you're out
And I can chat with you baby
Flirt a little maybe
Does your mother know that you're out
Well, I can dance with you honey
If you think it's funny
Does your mother know that you're out

trappedsincesundaymorn · 21/03/2021 08:08

I'm just going to leave this here...a truly vile song.

Father Figure
George Michael
That's all I wanted
Something special, something sacred
In your eyes
For just one moment
To be bold and naked
At your side
Sometimes I think that you'll never
Understand me
Maybe this time is forever
Say it can be, whoa
That's all you wanted
Something special, someone sacred
In your life
Just for one moment
To be warm and naked
At my side
Sometimes I think that you'll never
Understand me
But something tells me together
We'd be happy, oh oh
I will be your father figure
(Oh baby)
Put your tiny hand in mine
(I'd love to)
I will be your preacher teacher
(Be your daddy)
Anything you have in mind
(It would make me)
I will be your father figure
(Very happy)
I have had enough of crime
(Please let me)
I will be the one who loves you
'Til the end of time
That's all I wanted
But sometimes love can be mistaken
For a crime
That's all I wanted
Just to see my baby's
Blue eyes shine
This time I think that my lover
Understands me
If we have faith in each other
Then we can be
Strong, baby
I will be your father figure
Put your tiny hand in mine
I will be your preacher teacher
Anything you have in mind
I will be your father figure
I have had enough of crime
I will be the one who loves you
'Til the end of time
If you are the desert
I'll be the sea
If you ever hunger
Hunger for me
Whatever you ask for
That's what I'll be
So when you remember the ones who have lied
Who said that they cared
But then laughed as you cried
Beautiful darling
Don't think of me
Because all I ever wanted
It's in your eyes, baby
And love can't lie, no
(Greet me with the eyes of a child)
My love is always tellin' me so
(Heaven is a kiss and a smile)
Just hold on, hold on
I won't let you go, my baby
I will be your father figure
Put your tiny hand in mine
I will be your preacher teacher
Anything you have in mind, baby
I will be your father figure
I have had enough of crime
(So I am gonna love you)
'Til the end of time
I will be your father
I will be your preacher
I will be your daddy, whoa
I will be the one who loves you 'til the end of time

burninglikefire · 21/03/2021 08:07

Ah, thank you - couldn't rest until I knew that important detail!

felulageller · 21/03/2021 08:06

Young Girl
Gary Puckett & The Union Gap
‘Young Girl’ was one of the band’s four top ten singles in the US in 1968 and it reached number two

[Chorus]
Young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl

[Verse 1]
With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe you're old enough
To give me love
And now it hurts to know the truth

[Chorus]
Whoa, oh, oh, young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl

[Verse 2]
Beneath your perfume and make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know that it's wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes

[Chorus]
Whoa, oh, oh, young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl

[Verse 3]
So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here before I have the time
To change my mind
Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far

[Chorus]
Whoa, oh, oh, young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl

[Chorus]
Young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl

[Outro]
Young girl
Get out of my mind
My love for you

RickiTarr · 21/03/2021 08:06

Don’t leave them smeary just because you can?