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Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2021 20:14

Just to say this is a light-hearted chat thread.
I love jolene, sing it with a minor adaptation every time I'm cleaning the windows. I have no idea about the background, but it must come near the top of the least feminist songs ever!
Another which I've just heard is sheryl crow, strong enough. "lie to me, I promise I'll believe, lie to me, but please don't leave"
Brilliant song, awful lyrics :)
Any others?

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Arbadacarba · 21/03/2021 10:11

Oh, and the Pina Colada song. But its soo catchy

I don't think the Pina Colada Song is anti-feminist. Both parties are in a rut and dissatisfied with the relationship. It's the woman who makes the first move to possible infidelity by placing the lonely hearts advert, to which her husband/partner replies.

napody · 21/03/2021 10:06

Haven’t rtft but Wild World by Cat Stevens... I call it the ‘coercive control anthem’.

Makingnumber2 · 21/03/2021 10:04

I've had a little watch of the video and I can see how you would say it's satirising 'Barbie' as the lyrics etc are really ridiculous. My issue is that it's only mocking 'Barbie' and not Ken whose twattish expectations and fantasies Barbie girl is so desperate to fulfil... so again women are the losers here. I think if the song made Ken look like the misogynistic dick he so clearly is rather than only making Barbie look like the pathetic fool then I could get more on board with the feminist satirical take.

PissTestRightNowDaniella · 21/03/2021 10:02

Ami Stewart's 'Ring My Bell'

'Sit back and relax while I put away the dishes...'

Yes love as that's exactly why you were put on this earth....

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 10:01

I wouldn’t know - it’s just how I’ve always read it. The video is clearly a bit of a joke.

I could be entirely wrong, but that’s my opinion of it. It reads like a satirical commentary.

Makingnumber2 · 21/03/2021 09:57

Barbie girl being satire is news to me! Was this something the band said after the song was released?

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:48

Haha Barbour girl....😆😆

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 21/03/2021 09:47

Barbour Girl is my favourite autocorrect of the morning!

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:46

(Regarding Barbour Girl, that is)

And you can laugh all you like at my opinion of ‘Does your mother know’ but I know what kind of man I would have wanted my daughters to meet had they been the type to go messing around in things that were maybe just a little too much for their age, and it would be someone who could and would say that sort of thing. Kind of like the story with Lily Allen and George Lamb when he found her by herself in Ibiza or wherever it was.

KizzyWayfarer · 21/03/2021 09:45

For a catchy tune but crap lyrics I nominate Georgy Girl
“Hey there, Georgy girl
Swinging down the street so fancy-free
Nobody you meet could ever see the loneliness there inside you
Hey there, Georgy girl
Why do all the boys just pass you by?
Could it be you just don't try or is it the clothes you wear?”
“Don't be so scared of changing and rearranging yourself
It's time for jumping down from the shelf”

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 21/03/2021 09:44

As previously mentioned, Barbie Girl is satire.

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:41

I actually think that’s a feminist song. I don’t think it’s intended to be serious at all!

Emeraldshamrock · 21/03/2021 09:40

The song is clearly about a man who’s not taking advantage and who’s being responsible and looking out for her.
🤣

Makingnumber2 · 21/03/2021 09:40

Aqua Barbie Girl. Sickens me that I was singing along to this misogynistic shit when I was 12:

I'm a Barbie girl, in the Barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic
You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation
I'm a blond bimbo girl in a fantasy world
Dress me up, make it tight, I'm your dolly
You're my doll, rock'n'roll, feel the glamour in pink
Kiss me here, touch me there, hanky panky
Make me walk, make me talk, do whatever you please
I can act like a star, I can beg on my knees
Come jump in, bimbo friend, let us do it again
Hit the town, fool around, let's go party
You can touch
You can play
If you say, "I'm always yours"
You can touch
You can play
If you say, "I'm always yours"

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:39

Or imagine being a famous man in the 70s with the way the culture was with groupies etc. I bet there were many girls on the scene who really weren’t old enough to be there.

Emeraldshamrock · 21/03/2021 09:39

WAP is reported by some to be the epitome of female empowerment. I don’t see it at all. I think it’s crude and the lyrics are horrible.
Me too, my teenage nieces believe it is empowering.

ThanksItHasPockets · 21/03/2021 09:36

Beyoncé isn’t referring to herself as ‘it’ in Single Ladies: “if you liked it [their relationship] then you should have put a ring on it [her finger]”. It’s about a woman who won’t settle for a man who won’t commit to her. Fine if you fundamentally object to marriage as the goal of a relationship but it’s MN Relationships 101.

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:36

Yes but that could just means she’s not old enough to be getting mixed up in trying to take men of his age home (or be taken home, whatever). If you’re a man in your early twenties I’m sure there are plenty of young girls who think they’re old enough to be wanting to sleep with you. Doesn’t make the girls bad, and it doesn’t make you bad for saying, look, I get what you want to do but it’s not going to happen. The song is clearly about a man who’s not taking advantage and who’s being responsible and looking out for her.

PringlePopIt · 21/03/2021 09:34

@Lampzade I presumed the pp was talking about Inner Circle - Sweat la la la la

Bluntness100 · 21/03/2021 09:30

We aren't told the age of the girl. Just that the guy thinks she's too young to be out picking up guys for sex

It says she’s a child.

ItsLateHumpty · 21/03/2021 09:29

One of my fav sing out loud, happy music, dodgy lyrics is the cover Blondie did of Buddy Hollys I'm Gonna Love You Too

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha

You're gonna say you'll a-miss me
You're gonna say you'll a-kiss me
Yes, you're gonna say you'll a-love me
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too

I don't care what you a-told me
You're gonna say you'll a-hold me
Yes, you're gonna say you'll a-love
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too

After all, another fella took ya
But I still can't overlook ya
I'm a-gonna do my best to hook ya
After all is said and done

You're gonna say you'll a-miss me
You're gonna say you'll a-kiss me
Yes, you're gonna say you'll a-love me
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha

It's a-gonna happen some day
You're gonna see things my way
Yes, you're gonna say you'll a-love me
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too

You're gonna tell me a-sweet things
You're gonna make-a my heart sing
Yes, you're gonna hear those bells ring
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too

After all, another fella took ya
But I still can't overlook ya
I'm a-gonna do my best to hook ya
After all is said and done

You're gonna say you'll a-miss me
You're gonna say you'll a-kiss me
Yes, you're gonna say you'll a-love me
'Cause I'm a-gonna love you too
I'm a-gonna love you too
I'm a-gonna love you too

ElizabethinherGermanGarden · 21/03/2021 09:28

Just watched Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - I struggle to think of anything more offensive and wrong-headed than Sobbin' Women, but dang it's a fabulous tune.

Ninkanink · 21/03/2021 09:24

@Ninkanink

It’s commentary on society’s views of femalehood. I don’t see the problem with that at all! It’s feminist to talk about it.

We can’t just listen to happy ditties all the time...

Same for other songs like ‘will you still love me tomorrow’ - nothing wrong with that one either. These are real things that people (especially young women) do have to consider.

This was in reference to Lily Allen’s song, btw.
justilou1 · 21/03/2021 09:23

@sleveen I was just coming back with that one! Ick!

EdgeOfACoin · 21/03/2021 09:23

Galway Girl.

Stop calling her a 'pretty little girl' and then kissing her neck.