Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems

Snoop Dogg. Lodi Dodi

DS and his friends used to play it as a teenagers

The lyrics are pretty bad, but the rhythms are ok.

One especially stands out : ''Lodi Dodi''

''With your wrinkled pussy/I can't be your lover''

...So, dissing a woman over owning a Sphynx cat?

Luna I'm a bit on the fence about Paul McCartney as well tbh. Those two were the main songwriters so maybe the others had less say. Or were happy to make loads of money and not think too deeply about it. Different times, I guess.

It’s a heartbreaking song.

You don’t have to say you love me - absolute shocker, begging for scraps!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkbFeu6IZwY

im no prude but i cant stand that wap song i think its disgusting

@sleveen yes quite. And apparently it’s oh so empowering for women.

they also don't pronounce their Ts as the end of a word.

‘Yer can’t say that, John!’

The sexual songs teens listen to today would warp your minds. Yo so innocen

You can’t just airbrush out any negative emotions - they’re part and parcel of life! And especially in relationships you’re sometimes going to have difficult times or feel difficult things.

I'm not really surprised by the Beatles lyrics. John Lennon was hardly a nice man

I Will Survive,
Sisters are Doing it For Themselves
We Are Family
could be called feminist anthems

They are all also boring and formulaic. I don't like any of them.

The greatest piece of music ever written,
The Marriage of Figaro would fail at every turn to be a feminist anthem but I'd take Dove Sono any time over them

Lots of early Beatles songs like the ones quoted up thread meet that definition although I can’t help loving them! Petty, possessive, entitled lyrics!

at “the mk goon” being autocorrect’s rendering of “thank goodness”.

I fucking hate autocorrect.

*thank goodness

The mk goon mess for the Dixie Chicks - Goodbye Earl is strangely satisfying

You were always on my mind, Jolene, and all the others about a man reflecting on how he has been crap or a woman wanting to stay with a man although he has been crap are not necessarily anti feminist in my view, just human nature. And the pain of wanting someone is the basis of 99% of pop songs... It’s the ones where the man is creepy, doesn’t take no for an answer or puts her down because she turned him down that meet the definition of misogyny.

I just haven't met you yet, Michael Buble.... are you kidding me??

Aww c’mon. He doesn’t know her, she’s not a real person he’s stalking. It’s a paean to his future marriage with a as yet unknown wife, and full of hope and good intentions and actually rather sweet. “Promise you kid, I’ll give more than I get” sounds quite promising.

I'm not surprised, not everything lasts
I've broken my heart so many times I stopped keeping track
Talk myself in, I talk myself out
I get all worked up then I let myself down

I tried so very hard not to lose it
I came up with a million excuses
I thought, I thought of every possibility

And I know some day that it'll all turn out
You'll make me work so we can work to work it out
And I promise you kid that I'll give so much more than I get
I just haven't met you yet

Hmm... hmm

I might have to wait, I'll never give up
I guess it's half timing and the other half's luck
Wherever you are, whenever it's right
You'll come out of nowhere and into my life

And I know that we can be so amazing
And baby your love is gonna change me
And now I can see every possibility

Somehow I know that it'll all turn out
You'll make me work so we can work to work it out
And promise you kid I'll give so much more than I get
I just haven't met you yet

They say all's fair in love and war
But I won't need to fight it
We'll get it right and we'll be united

And I know that we can be so amazing
And being in your life is gonna change me
And now I can see every single possibility

And someday I know it'll all turn out
And I'll work to work it out
Promise you kid I'll give more than I get, than I get, than I get, than I get

Oh you know it'll all turn out
And you'll make me work so we can work to work it out
And promise you kid to give so much more than I get yeah
I just haven't met you yet

I just haven't met you yet
Oh promise you kid to give so much more than I get
I said love love love love love love love
I just haven't met you yet
Yeah, I just haven't met you yet

@MichelleofzeResistance yes I’ve always despised that song.

Exactly as you said - no, you had your chance, and probably way too many chances at that, and you still didn’t step up. So no, you’re not getting another chance!

(It’s been years since I’ve watched the video, tbf, so I’m basing that on what I remember of it).

I also don’t think Wild World is indicative of coercive control at all! Think that’s a bit harsh. It’s interesting to see the different impressions people have of songs like that, probably influenced in large part by their (our) own experiences...

'I know him so well'.... oh yes. I used to think that was a lovely duet. Now I listen to two women standing around fascinated by the complexity of the bastard who they're both running around trying to take enough care of and understand properly while he does his own special thing and doesn't reciprocate in any way. A quick read of Lundy Bancroft badly needed.

Two more that drive me nuts:

You were always on my mind: the time to ring Women's Aid song.

maybe I didn't hold you
All those lonely, lonely times
I guess I never told you
I am so happy that you're mine
Little things I should have said and done
I just never took the time
You were always on my mind
You were always on my mind
Tell me
Tell me that your sweet love hasn't died
And gi-ve me
Give me one more chance to keep you satisfied

No. You had your shot. You chose to take everything, give nothing, you killed this relationship, now stop begging the poor woman to go on suffering and comfortably enabling you to make her life a misery because you feel like deep down you're a nice guy really. The entitlement is gobsmacking.

I just haven't met you yet, Michael Buble.... are you kidding me??

You'll make me work so we can work to work it out...

I really won't. If you can't be buggered to take an equal share in the relationship don't bother being a sod and then looking to me to 'make you' do what is needed to fix it. I'm not your mum, I'm not a dominatrix either.

And I promise you, kid, that I'll give so much more than I get..

plain creepy. You haven't met her yet Michael, because she's hiding under the bed MNetting on her phone. 'There's this jolly, creepy bastard following me around singing at me'...

Bad for Good by Jim Steinman is a bit pressurising. It's very poetic, and catchy, but give it up Jim, leave her be!

The sea is whipping the sky
The sky is whipping the sea
You can hide away forever from the storm
But you'll never hide away from me
The icy cold will cut us like a knife in the dark
And we may lose everything in the wind
But the Northern Lights are burning
And they're giving off sparks
I want to wrap myself around you like a winter skin
You know I'm onto your scent
We're near the end of the chase
Take a look out your window and I'll be there in the night
Your love is so close that I can almost taste it

I’m not sure that’s the case though. I think it’s mocking the male position just as much - I think it’s the interplay and the uhm what’s the word (this is literally about the 10th word today that I can’t think of!!), that’s being commented on.