Is anyone else genuinely fearful that their GC views will become public and they will face disciplinary in their job?

I was just reporting some facts and asking you some questions but if you are not happy to address those questions that's fine. I do remain wondering what you think of the general situation given the facts and testimonies you have been presented with but it's no big deal. I'm glad you feel in a safe enough position not to feel threatened by this but there are many that do feel threatened and they are not just making it up.

My family member is not prone to hyperbole. He is a lawyer in a very large company yet he feels that he can't speak out about something that has happened to his daughter because it will get back to his employer. I believe him.

He is not exaggerating and being the main wage earner, can't really afford to take the risk that he has misunderstood the situation with his employer (he's quite a bright lad btw so I think he understands the level of risk).

That's how this works, quiet and tacit threats and hints that if you don't toe the line it won't work out for you. With this situation, unlike any other, people seem to lose all power of rational thought and discussion and if they have made up their minds on this, then nothing will dissuade them. #nodebate.

If a company wants to dismiss an individual unfairly and that individual wants to fight it, then they need substantial financial backing to even start thinking about it. Many companies are very invested in the trans ideology and policies that unlawfully ignore their responsiblities to people with protected characteristics such as Sex (mainly women affected), Religious Beliefs and Disability. Many law firms and unions that would normally support unfair dismissal claims are captured and will not help people that challenge the ideology

This is an issue to take very seriously. I think op will get away with it this time but her swift action will have helped. It doesn't take much in a woke organisation to get yourself reported for wrongthink and before you know it you are being managed out of your role or not having your fixed term contract renewed.

Bathsheba that must be a really hard field to work in with all this. I’ve often wondered how the staff at my eldest’s school really feel about it all.

I work for a Stonewall champion. Bloody right I’m concerned about disciplinary action.

I don’t think it’s over-reacting at all to look at what has happened to people like Maya and Allison and to feel concerned.

Also Scottish poet Jenny Lindsay has lost almost all her freelance work because of her views.

Oh I do that twitter housework on a regular basis. I cant see how anyone could link that account with me BUT I don''t know for sure. So I tidy up each few days.

I feel scared in my job. I work in teen mental health in schools. I have no doubt at all that some (certainly not all) of the non binary young people I work with feel psychologically safer by creating and curating new non binary / trans identities for themselves. Usually there’s a background of trauma / bullying / ASD which has made life really tricky for them and a new identity is a great self protective strategy - a real place of safety. I think the whole thing is a mess and it compromises my personal ethics. I could not voice any of this in role without losing my job.

Yes. I've actually gone through my Twitter and removed some of my retweets and likes relating to GC issues. I don't use it as much now, and I'm thinking of creating a completely anonymous one. I work in public sector, there have been suggestions to put pronouns on our email sign off just in the past couple of weeks. I feel like a coward, but I've not got long until I retire, and I don't want to put my job at risk.

No, I am not worried any more.

Why? Because all of my views, all of them, are naked up by legal and parliamentary proceedings....

I am against self ID. Turns out so are the government - it did not get passed because its too open to abuse. Exactly what the government said.

I am against medicalisation of kids. Exactly what the Tavistock judicial review concluded, and has been recorded in a court of law.

I am against boys in girls sports, what the judge agreed when the Oxfordshire schoolgirl took her LA to court to protect girls sports and rights at her school.

I am against being called a cervix having menstruator - a topic recently discussed in the HoL and legislation passed was drafted accordingly.

How can my work discipline me for views that align with Parliament, the HoL and court rulings..... How would that look in a tribunal? Happy to be the test case if it comes to that..... But I doubt it will come to that because I suspect I am not alone in what I think.....

I'm not going to read your post gardenbird, I don't need a lecturing as if I live under a rock.

My posts were directed to OP. Who has now thanked me twice for giving her some perspective on her fear and the implausibility of getting to a dismissal. Which was what I was trying to do, so it worked and I am glad OP is reassured.

I could be rude back to you about your behaviour Pegasus but you are not really worth the effort. Doom mongers rarely are

Don’t be so ridiculous

I’ve pointed out that there are many ways that a company can get rid of employees. It’s you who is determined to be rude, sneery and dismissive to women asking entirely reasonable questions.

I run my own business, but am careful re my GC views along with political views as they may put off clients and partners. Also mostly they're just not relevant. On the other hand, I would never employ anyone who uses pronouns. I'd also give them the worst terms I can if we have to do business. I can't believe I am the only one.

tbf I don't thing it's doom mongering, at all. IN my case I was warned it could be viewed as gross misconduct, and to go to a hearing would take place at Civil Service HQ, London, staffed by snr managers watching each other to see how unpleasant and reactionary they could each be toward me. My only recourse would be a tribunal probably a year later...mean time I don't work in my area again and I can't pay the mortgage.

No not doom-mongering. It' called observation.

It's like bloody Giliad isn't it. I'm a teacher, I'm extremely careful on SM not to be offensive, but I do think my Twitter (anon) could cause issues if it was linked to me at work. Work currently not been Stonewalled, but doesn't mean it won't be in the future. I'm super liberal, but I'm GC. I worry that at some point I'll be looking for a new job because my views aren't acceptable to some. I'm hoping the tide is starting to turn, it can't stay this way forever.

you might have missed my question earlier (it has been quite a fast moving thread):

have you heard of Allison Bailey, Katie Alcock, Sonia Appleby and Maya Forstater?

you might do well to search the names of these women and find out how they were sacked or removed from their positions or had heavy pressure put on their employers from Stonewall to sack them because of their views on same sex attraction, safeguarding and women's rights.

Do you think it is acceptable to subject any women to disciplinary procedures or termination of contract for their views that support women's rights and biological fact?

Are you aware that Amnesty International and Amnesty Ireland have signed a letter calling for removal of political representation and a public voice (basic human rights) from people that 'defend biology' ie. people like me who has grown three children in her body and would very much like to protect her 2 x dd's rights to single sex spaces and facilities and their legal protections.

Do you think that Amnesty's position is acceptable or proportionate? Calling for the removal of basic human rights from a group of people (mainly women) with mainstream views that have been recently deemed unacceptable by the proponents of the ideology?

Sadly I don't think OPs panic is remotely unfounded in the current climate. It will take a lot more pushing and a lot more protest from women at this blatant injustice and shutdown of free speech before we prevail in asserting our existing legal rights but we will prevail and we will assert our legal rights.

I could be rude back to you about your behaviour Pegasus but you are not really worth the effort. Doom mongers rarely are.

@Scepticaltank nuance is exactly what you are missing. As a self identified HR professional you should be better aware than most that there are multiple ways an employer can get rid of you if they choose.

Instead of entering into a good faith discussion on risk you jumped in with a pronouncement around “gross misconduct” when any HR professional worth their salt knows that gross misconduct is merely one small piece of the equation.

Dismissing the lived experiences of multiple women that have been silenced, or worse, at work, is pretty shabby behaviour.

I’m not working now but I was working for the council (in a large library) and I’m sure it would have been really difficult. I noticed my colleagues with official council rainbow lanyards a year or two ago and I wondered then if it was just because of Pride or if they’d had some kind of re-education.

In fact literally just before I saw this thread I was wondering if I should just buy the book The Gendered Brain instead of reserving it via the library as maybe they’ll judge me terribly for it. But then maybe they’ll privately think oh good she gets it.

I'm not missing any nuance. I was in fact responding to the lack of nuance in the OPs message which was, to summarise, a frantic panic about being sacked because of a webinar registration.

And now we have a thread running in feminist chat (!) about how everyone should be frantically panicking because sacking is inevitable, and me asking for a nuanced consideration of the likelihood of mass sackings for attending webinars, is met with hostility. Which only goes to show how attached you all are to frantic panicking.

If all you've done is use your work email then just deny any knowledge of it. Anyone could use anyone's email address to sign up for stuff and until you click the email link at work and join whatever group there's no proof you did it surely?

I can see why you are concerned. Once society goes a certain direction, they view those with differing views quite negatively.

If you are employed within a progressive (or woke depending on your opinion) Company, you have to be very very quiet about your views.

It seems you deleted it on time so I'm sure you will be okay.

Yes, I''ve been subject to disciplinary process (warning) for GC views being expressed, and a TRA complained. It's in the civil service.
As woke gets.

I think the majority still believe this is only an issue on twitter and in peoples fertile imaginations; they dont realise how far things have gone in the real world - women have already been arrested, sacked, kicked out of Universities, or had hate incidents placed on their police records.
Not for saying anything hateful or doing anything illegal.

No. I'm self employed and my customers are sensible people. My other job is farming,animals know what biology is.