Puberty Blockers - impact on the brain

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/156451#female-puberty

Outright lies. 100% false. Which is what you’d expect from someone who thinks one of the intended outcomes of female puberty is a “full bottom”. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true.

It literally does.

It literally doesn't 😊

It literally does. A trans girl is effectively in the same situation as a hypogonadal cis girl, or a cis girl with severely delayed puberty. In all cases, puberty is induced with the appropriate hormone regime.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15506074/

www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/hypogonadism

We’re both repeating ourselves here, but I’m happy to play this as long as you are: taking cross sex hormones does not induce puberty, because puberty is the process by which children develop into sexual maturity. Also, it is not “delayed”, it is cancelled. It doesn’t happen. The child remains in many ways, a child

Is it that the impact on the brain is secondary in importance to the impact on the azz?

This is also a very valid point.

We have been told previously that negative health impacts are not as important as immediate positive mental health by this pp. I think we can draw our conclusions from that.

Oh. And the complete ignoring of the higher risk to female’s mid to long term health compared to male’s. That needs to also be repeatedly pointed out because all posts at the moment seem to be about male transitioners.

We do need to keep the focus on female’s, I feel. It is further evidence of their health impacts being ignored for the sake of males.

Indeed it isn't, but delaying it with puberty blockers, and inducing it with hormones are both options open to trans kids

We’re both repeating ourselves here, but I’m happy to play this as long as you are: taking cross sex hormones does not induce puberty, because puberty is the process by which children develop into sexual maturity. Also, it is not “delayed”, it is cancelled. It doesn’t happen. The child remains in many ways, a child. The critical development of puberty never happens. We have little idea at the moment of what the long term effects of that might be.

But it's OK to say that trans people are creepy for mentioning what estrogen does to your fat distribution?

It is the way this was said. 'Full bottoms' is a phrase that I have never in my decades come across being used by females. I have seen it used by males discussing females.

You must be new to GC "feminism" - it's focused mostly on penises, including children's penises.

Shizuku

You know that you saying this to women who are mostly feminists, on a forum largely populated by females, called mumsnet?

Who do you think you are talking to? Who do you think is listening?

Do you genuinely think that anyone will read that and go, yes that's right, how awful!

Or do you understand that absolutely everyone who reads that is going to be a normal adult person?

No wonder they call Twitter a cesspit. Although, to be honest, it comes across more like a sandpit.

You must be new to GC "feminism" - it's focused mostly on penises, including children's penises.

No. I think you are wildly mistaken. GC Feminism is focused on the progress of females (whatever gender they identify as) to continue to fight the result of millennia of sexist discrimination experienced by those with a female sexed body. This includes safeguarding, employment, sports, education, representation and most importantly, health. All females, and only females.

And to be clear, I will repeat what a female is.

A female is someone who has a body that has formed around the production of large gametes, whether that female has, is capable of, is currently or will in the future produced those large gametes. A female does not and will never have the body that has formed around the production of small gametes, whether that body has, is capable of, is currently or will in the future produced those small gametes. That is the body type of a male regardless of what gender they identify.

We may talk about reproduction and capability, but I rarely see the word penis being used on this board unless it is relevant. I hate to say it, but it is rarely relevant. Although, there are some posters who seem focused on that body part. They don't seem to be feminists though.

Pretending there is a different motivation other than the safety and dignity of women and girls is just more Twitter dancing nonsense.

Indeed. I wonder if there is a big book of disingenuous deflections. Like a Dummies Guide to gender identity politics activism.

It's a DARVO. Gaslighting that GC women are perverted for caring about single sex spaces.

Exactly. Identifying the cohort that women are at risk from, and wanting to exclude them where women are vulnerable, its perfectly normal, legal, and commonplace.

Pretending there is a different motivation other than the safety and dignity of women and girls is just more Twitter dancing nonsense.

You trying to make it into some kind of weird obsession with genitalia, is not going to stop women talking about violence committed by those born male.

It's a DARVO. Gaslighting that GC women are perverted for caring about single sex spaces.

Trans girls aren't men.

Trans girls are children. You are accusing women of being obsessed with genitals of children!

Women are not obsessed with genitals. They are concerned with the behaviour attached to the owners of those genitals.

You trying to make it into some kind of weird obsession with genitalia, is not going to stop women talking about violence committed by those born male.

Well said Datun, hear hear
I find Shizuku's comments shocking and offensive in equal measure.

Says person posting on a site completely obsessed with trans girl's penises. Hilarious.

Given the recent quite appalling instances of male violence towards women and girls, finding women's concerns over access granted to men 'hilarious' says a lot.

[quote Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]@Shizuku, what you say makes no sense. You might as well say how does a child give consent to be born. Puberty is not optional. It's not something we decide whether we want to go through. It's a natural and essential part of the human life cycle.

Add me to the list of those who find your weird comments about full or fat bottoms really inappropriate and creepy.[/quote]
"Puberty is not optional."

Indeed it isn't, but delaying it with puberty blockers, and inducing it with hormones are both options open to trans kids. And that of course means that a trans girls effectively has the choice to go though a testosterone puberty or not, so the question remains - why is she too young to choose one option, but not too young to choose the other?

"Add me to the list of those who find your weird comments about full or fat bottoms really inappropriate and creepy."

That's OK - I have also added myself to the list of people who find your assumption that pro trans people are perverts really inappropriate and creepy.

How much research is available in Denmark?

Thanks for the clarification Nec. V important point to make, that this is experimental.

And the follow ups are vanishingly rare.