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Laurence Fox answers Women’s Place UK questions

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ChristinaXYZ · 19/03/2021 19:04

As a candidate for London mayor Laurence Fox has answered five questions on women's rights and it is a breath of fresh air. Highlights being:

First of all, the police cannot protect what it does not define. We acknowledge that women are adult human females. They are vulnerable as a result of biological sex.

Acknowledge that The Equality Act 2010 provides legislative protection for women by virtue of their sex. We will enforce it without fear or favour and protect the rights of women to single sex spaces.

Ring fence funding for single-sex refuges and support services

Read his full answers here:

laurencefoxforlondon.co.uk/news/answering-womens-place-uks-5-questions/

Lets hope this puts pressure on the other candidates

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PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 23:46

For the love of Belgium, I hope you touched wood before you pressed enter, NonnyMouse!

NonnyMouse1337 · 19/03/2021 23:41

If his sensible sounding answers to WPUK will prod the cowards standing for election to say something in defense of women's rights, then that would be a good outcome. I seriously doubt he would win.

TinselAngel · 19/03/2021 23:39

The more I see of him the more I feel sorry for Billie Piper.

PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 23:34

From his responses, I don't feel he's deeply engaged with GC feminists. Which surprises me very little.

It goes beyond toilets, although the urinary leash is important. I'm not sure where the mayor's power starts and ends, but I'm also concerned about single-sex changing rooms in public facilities, and provision of single-sex abuse refuges, single-sex homelessness hostels. And I want single-sex swimming sessions ringfenced as untouchable.

But hopefully he'll start a bit of a conversation, and get a public airing of the issue. If we're just a horrible minority of bigots, then the other candidates have nothing to fear from being public about their support for unisex toilets, do they?

Regularsizedrudy · 19/03/2021 23:26

Today I’ve seen threads on Laurence fox, Julie birchill, dicky dawkins.. you lot are really scraping the bottom of the barrel

PeterPomegranate · 19/03/2021 23:24

I can’t support LF for London mayor. even though I support women’s rights. There’s just too many problems with him. He stands NO chance in London in my opinion.

VodkaSlimline · 19/03/2021 23:22

This is a tricky one. I will not vote for anyone who says trans women are women or generally promotes any similar woke bullshit, but on every other issue, I think Sadiq Khan's great. I'm not crazy about Laurence Fox but I always end up putting my feminism first. Nothing else matters as much to me.

MapGirlExtraordinaire · 19/03/2021 23:20

LF is odious. I'll try and find some links and post at some point, but self appointed, entitled heir of Farage springs to mind. The fact that he's saying what GC women want to hear right now is coincidence / opportunity rather than any deeply held desire for equality.

I mainly listed to tell Belleende that knob jockey is homophobic, its one which slips through with many people my age but I'd advise scrubbing it from your vocab.

SunsetBeetch · 19/03/2021 23:08

Sometimes it takes an outsider competitor to force an issue. It's what UKIP did to the Tories. They sunk like a stone once their work was done. I'm not a Ukipper or a Leaver of any stripe, just commenting on the mechanism.

That's how I'm looking at it. More sunlight too, as we like to say.

Juliesipadwillcallyouback · 19/03/2021 22:52

@PotholeHellhole

Yes. I think there is a very good possibility that Keir Starmer is planning to have a Damascene conversion to supporting women's rights after us women have done the hard work of making it a politically safe position. Until then, he'll leave Rosie Duffield out to dry. Angry

But in the mean time, he's leaving this political niche wide open for people like Laurence Fox.

Yes!
PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 22:45

Yes. I think there is a very good possibility that Keir Starmer is planning to have a Damascene conversion to supporting women's rights after us women have done the hard work of making it a politically safe position. Until then, he'll leave Rosie Duffield out to dry. Angry

But in the mean time, he's leaving this political niche wide open for people like Laurence Fox.

BattyOrange · 19/03/2021 22:42

I like the description of Fox as "refreshingly unfettered"
Having been cancelled after the QT episode, he's very anti-woke - very much a proponent of individual freedom of thought and speech. Politically, he comes across as a novice. I doubt he'll win the mayoral election but there are plenty of voters out there who are similarly "refreshingly unfettered"...

Juliesipadwillcallyouback · 19/03/2021 22:24

And, as ever, I am disgusted that politicians like Keir Starmer are too chicken shit to even say what a woman is, and we are left with twats like Fox to talk about women's rights!

Juliesipadwillcallyouback · 19/03/2021 22:19

Laurence Fox is an absolute bellend. As if he gives a fuck about women's rights. But he has seen an opportunity.

This is exactly what has happened with the Tories and also UKIP/Brexit. Loads of traditional Labour voters were alienated by the Labour Party for not being 'woke' enough, told they were awful bigots, thick etc. Enter Conservatives/UKIP etc to lend a friendly ear and make people feel like they were being listened to, and Labour is currently a laughing stock.

Laurence Fox can 'speak out' on this stuff because he is a privileged white male who appeals to a specific demographic, largely also white males, who literally don't give a shit about what anyone thinks of them because they don't have to.

I actually think Laurence Fox will do better in any election than people think. Look at Trump!

PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 22:19

He didn't believe Dr Ford?!

hamstersarse · 19/03/2021 22:13

He is basically an extreme un pc libertarian. Not evil. Not alt right. Bit of a dick. Refreshingly unfettered. Far far less dangerous than the magisterium.

I totally agree with this.
I think he’s a good candidate for the mayor and would vote for him were I a Londoner

He might be just what London needs after the shower of shit that is Sadiq Khan

MrsIsobelCrawley · 19/03/2021 22:13

Laurence Fox proudly claimed he broke up with his ex because she was a vocal supporter of Christine Blasey Ford.

Christine Blasey Ford accused the Brett Kavanaugh, a US Supreme Court nominee, of sexually assaulting her in high school in 1982.

time.com/5415027/christine-blasey-ford-testimony/

PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 22:04

Then there is the way he always uses his mixed race nephews and nieces as a shield when someone accuses him of racism. Sometimes the way he talks about them sounds like Great Replacement theory.

Something tells me that Billie would have something to say if she saw him ever being touted as a feminist icon.

PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 22:01

And oh lord, his twitter.

He went off on one at Argos when they announced they were going to audit average salaries to check if they were institutionally underpaying black employees. Accused them of racism and tried to sic his followers on them for taking steps to identify racism and fix it.

He literally called a business racist for announcing they were going to investigate if they'd been racist!

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adviceseekingnamechanger · 19/03/2021 21:59

@PotholeHellhole

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

He speaks and acts just like any of the tedious pseudo-intellectual middle/upper-class wankers of my own age group who pontificate on how TWAW. He's too old to join in with them, so he's reacting against them to get the likes from his age group.

I listened to his interview with James Delingpole and he's not someone to put in charge of London or anything else.

I agree with this.

I happen to agree with him on one key issue but it doesn't make him fit for office.

PotholeHellhole · 19/03/2021 21:56

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

He speaks and acts just like any of the tedious pseudo-intellectual middle/upper-class wankers of my own age group who pontificate on how TWAW. He's too old to join in with them, so he's reacting against them to get the likes from his age group.

I listened to his interview with James Delingpole and he's not someone to put in charge of London or anything else.

Cwenthryth · 19/03/2021 21:44

I wish Rory Stewart was still standing. Bloody Covid stopped that. Would be very interested to hear how he would answer these questions!

I will not vote for Laurence Fox, I think he’d be a distaster for London. However, he has given sensible answers to these questions - and by answering first, now he’s tempting out the others to answer. It’s all sunlight. The London mayoral race is not really a major concern in the grand scheme of fighting for woman’s sex-based rights, but it’s all sunlight - once the TWAW ‘believers’ attempt to explain their ideas out loud to the general public, then they tend to quickly come unstuck - see Jo Swinson. So in that respect, he has done ‘us’ a favour by doing this.

But I think we really, really need to stop seeing everything as ‘sides’ - and two posters have mentioned ‘anti-trans’ - FFS it is not inherently ‘anti-trans’ to fight for women’s sex-based rights, please don’t fall into that trap laid by TRAs. We can and should (I’m sure all regular posters do) still support trans people having full rights the same as all other people, freedom from harrassment and hate crime etc.... just not the additional special rights being demanded that conflict with other people’s sex-based rights! It is not about ‘sides’ and left v right, pro v anti.... it is about fighting for a way forward for everyone, encompassing women’s sex-based rights. We all have to live together at the end of the day.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 19/03/2021 21:43

@Velouria

What has he done? I remember a furore, but took no notice.
Well he is a massive lock down conspiracy theorist so I find it hard to respect him on that basis. As others have said he is a bit of a professional cynic and courts controversy for fame (a bit like a male Katie Hopkins but not quite as bad). A professional controversy stoker. He is very anti CRT. He was shot down on question time by a black woman on the basis of his white male privilege and defended himself rigourously on the basis of every one has a stake in society and should have a voice (which I supported him for, I'm.a universalist too). I remember he once said he doesn't date women under 30 they are all too woke. He is basically an extreme un pc libertarian. Not evil. Not alt right. Bit of a dick. Refreshingly unfettered. Far far less dangerous than the magisterium.
EdgeOfACoin · 19/03/2021 21:37

I was pleasantly surprised by some of his policies in that link - not the GC stuff, the other ones.

Doesn't mean I'll definitely vote for him. Means I will dig a bit deeper into his policies.

None of the other choices appeal at all. I was disappointed when Rory Stewart dropped out.

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